Everytown Takes Victory Lap as Paul Ryan Lets National Reciprocity Stall

[.308 Norma]

The constitution is considered a sick joke that gets in the way of "progress" by pretty much all the Democrats and a large number of republican politicians.

Yep, I think so. That's why they call themselves "progressives" rather than "anti-rights" like they actually are.

 

[CoalTrain49]

But I take it you believe that most of those "hunters and recreational shooters" don't really support the RKBA because they don't carry everywhere it's legal. Is that right?

That's correct. I break it up into 3 groups. Hunters, rec shooters and people who carry. As you say most who carry have permits to CC.

I know you can't put all hunters into a neat little category and I'm not trying to do that. There is a lot of overlap in these groups. I'm a perfect example of that because I used to hunt a lot. My experience with hunters is they generally don't feel threatened unless it had some thing to do with game regulations or lead being banned. None of the people I hunted with had a permit to carry. Maybe just a coincidence, I'm not sure, but it seemed like they had all of the RKBA they could use.

Rec shooters are a mixed lot and I know a few of those also. I belong to a private gun range and shoot often. I know many who have permits. If I were to guess I would say maybe 25% of them, probably mostly pistol shooters.

There is also a third group. People who don't hunt or spend vast amounts of money on ammo at a range. Those are the people who are changing the gun culture in this country. I noticed your comment about ID going to constitutional carry. I don't know how that happened but my guess is it happened because people felt a need to protect themselves without the additional burden of getting a permit. Obviously the legislators in your state were listening. Did that affect hunters to any great degree, probably not. Did it affect rec shooters much, probably not. It did affect the average voter though who may not have an interest in either hunting or rec shooting. That's who the politicians are catering to.

So my point is RKBA is primarily being reclaimed by people who want to carry. That fact is scaring the h*** out of the anti gun crowd. This is from an AG website.

Carrying concealed weapons, or CCW, has long been recognized as a source of public danger in communities. Though some states require good cause or safety training for a citizen to obtain a CCW permit, the gun lobby has recently made it a priority to push through harmful legislation that rolls back this important and lifesaving regulation, either by weakening existing permitting systems or not requiring permits at all to carry hidden, loaded guns in public places.

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/guns-in-public/concealed-carry/

I think we are in agreement on most of this.

 

[.308 Norma]

I think we are in agreement on most of this.

Me too.
Yeah, I don’t know exactly how the change to Idaho becoming a constitutional carry state came about. But I know it has been an incremental change. That is, I think open carry has been legal in most places in Idaho since before even my dad was born, but concealed carry (with a “shall issue” license/permit) didn’t become legal until, to the best of my recollection, 1990. However, both open and concealed carry on Idaho’s university campuses were still illegal until 2013, when the legislators came up with the Idaho “Enhanced” Concealed Carry License. The Enhanced version requires classroom training and actually firing a gun to prove proficiency. But with it, people can legally carry concealed on Idaho’s university campuses. Also, the Enhanced License has reciprocity with a few more states than the Basic License.

Finally, in 2016 Idaho became a “constitutional carry” state – sort of. We still can’t carry on our university campuses without an Idaho Enhanced Concealed Carry License, and the university powers that be (the ones most likely opposed to guns on campus in the first place) still get to make up the rules as to when and where we can actually carry on campus.

So I guess what I’m saying is, while I appreciate the steps that have been taken to restore our rights here in Idaho (rights that should have never been taken away in the first place) I think there are still are a few more steps that need to be taken. I probably won’t be around long enough to see all of those steps though.

Anyway, as I said before, I already have an Idaho Basic Concealed Carry License. So does my wife, actually. But seeing as how we each renewed in 2014, and our licenses are good for 5 years (2019) when it comes time to renew again, we’ll probably go ahead and get the Enhanced Concealed Carry Licenses. Neither of us care much about state to state reciprocity, but we both want to take a CCW class, just because. Besides, occasionally we do go on campus at Idaho State University, which is only 25 miles from here. Ironically, I was a full time student at ISU 10 or 12 years back when the battle over on campus concealed carry was really raging. I didn't go to college until after I retired, and I didn't get my degree until 3 years after our youngest daughter got hers from the same university. I’ve gotten a lot of things “backwards” in my life.

 

[Jim NE]

and they do have a point in it being State's Rights.

That's THE point, folks. The rest of the Constitution shouldn't be subservient to the 2nd Amendment (as important as the 2nd is.)

Once this law is passed, the statist central government lovers will use the principle to force states and localities to submit to the federal government's will. I know, I know, they already do that, but this will become another tool for them to do so. That's why gun advocates should think in terms of principles instead of what's (on the surface) convenient and efficient for themselves as gun owners.

 

[danez71]

That's THE point, folks. The rest of the Constitution shouldn't be subservient to the 2nd Amendment (as important as the 2nd is.)

Did applying the 1stA to the States make the rest of the Constitution subservient?