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Orion's experts define hunting
By Braxton Williams
Daily Progress staff writer
Friday, April 22, 2005

LOVINGSTON - A part-time movie actor who helped found environmental psychology and an anti-terrorism expert who hunts birds using a trained falcon were among those who took the stand on day two of Orion Estate’s right-to-hunt trial against the Nelson County supervisors.

The definition of hunting was again up for debate. Lawyers sparred, in particular, over whether it involves activities such as sporting clays or whether the term should be defined more narrowly.

James A. Swan of California, who has acted in movies such as “Murder in the First,†with Kevin Bacon, said of his definition of hunting: “It’s chase, quite simply.â€

As an expert in “hunting psychology,†he said the sounds that would be produced by shotguns at Orion Estate “are the kinds of sounds that people would most readily accept and adapt to their environment.â€

A group of Wingina residents, some watching the three-day trial, would disagree. They played a role in the Board of Supervisors’ vote in 2004 not to allow Orion to set up a shotgun sports center on its 465-acre property in the rural area.

In addition to noise concerns, the board said the facility would conflict with the county zoning ordinance.

Orion’s lawsuit accuses the supervisors of trampling on the constitutional right to hunt.

Many of the witnesses Orion put on the stand Thursday testified in support of the company’s view that hunting includes sporting clays and the shooting of other non-living objects. Those activities are essential to hunting safety and proficiency, Orion says.

Michael Garcia, an anti-terrorism expert with the Department of Homeland Security, told the court how he trains falcons to hunt birds such as quail and pheasants. Later, an avid foxhunter called his activity hunting, even though he said he has seen only three foxes killed in 12 years.

Lawyers for the Board of Supervisors tried to use witnesses’ wide definitions of hunting to counter Orion’s argument.

John W. Zunka asked if activities such as shopping for warm clothes or improving one’s physical condition could also be called hunting, as those activities are also preparatory. He argues that hunting, as it’s defined in the dictionary and other places, involves live animals.

The trial takes an unusual turn this morning, when Orion will give a tour and hold a shooting demonstration at its property. The viewing, considered part of court proceedings, is open only to lawyers, parties in the suit and the news media.

Circuit Judge J. Michael Gamble decided Thursday that the general public should be barred because the event will involve a firearms demonstration on private property.

The proceedings will continue in the circuit courtroom afterward.

Although today is the last day of the trial, Gamble will not rule until at least June 21. The day is set aside for closing arguments, and lawyers will file written briefs through May.

Morris Peterson, Orion’s managing director, was the last to take the stand Thursday. He described his plans for creating a “sporting estate†and the importance of having activities such as sporting clays.

Without sporting clays, a relatively new shotgun activity that he said should be included in the modern definition of hunting, having a sporting estate is not feasible “because it’s almost like losing your right arm,†he said.

He accused the supervisors of dissuading him from buying property in Madison and encouraging him to stay in Nelson when looking to relocate from the old Orion facility at Oak Ridge Estate. He also bemoaned what he said have been negative rumors and misinformation about the company’s plans for the new location.

“We were accused of training al-Qaida and the Taliban,†he said.

Zunka has said Orion is merely “cloaking their land-use commercial goal with a constitutional ribbon.†It’s a land-use issue, he argues.

He also disputes Orion’s claim that the case could have far-reaching implications for hunters by setting a legal precedent.

Contact Braxton Williams at (434) 978-7267 or [email protected].

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I'm siding with the locals, even if some of them might be yuppie overflow from Charlottesville. :) To be fair, Charlottesville and Albemarle County have always had a large number of very rich folks, even before the Grishams and Spaceks and Dave Matthews and such moved in.

I remember Nelson County from the '50s and '60s when it was a nice quiet little place...and dern near everybody in the surrounding area looked down on Nelson County and the gun clubs could afford to locate in Albemarle County. :) Okay, I don't honestly know if they had gun clubs back then. Most folks had a place to shoot and hunt, even if they only had enough money for one box of ammo.

My cousin and I would set up camp on a ridge above an isolated, uninhabited tract his grandfather owned in Nelson and shoot all our ammo and mess with firecrackers. No wonder I can't halfway hear now. Our idea of shooting clays was launching tin cans with firecrackers and shooting them (note: a mountain makes a good backstop.) And we never once shot the cattle, but did shoot the dogs chasing them. Quite a life for a 10-year-old.

Alas, old man Usedtobe is dead and gone. I need a beer.

John
 
"...which now includes a state-licensed hunting preserve and a 10,000-square-foot corporate-training center as well as a helicopter landing pad.
Peterson said more than $5 million would be invested in the estate if the suit is won, and that several hundred memberships would be offered, with the top-tier membership costing about $35,000 a year."

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Judge takes to the fields in Nelson case
Trip to estate is effort to decide key issue of how to define hunting
BY CARLOS SANTOS
[Richmond]TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Saturday, April 23, 2005


LOVINGSTON -- Judge Michael Gamble of Nelson County Circuit Court clambered over hill and dale via four-wheel-drive vehicle yesterday to watch shotgunners plug clay targets and live game birds in a quest to legally define the meaning of hunting.

Gamble, clad in ear-protectors and safety glasses and accompanied by a pack of reporters and lawyers, watched the shooters dust clay birds simulating quail, pheasant and rabbits and down two live pheasants in a demonstration put on at the 450-acre Orion estate in southern Nelson County.

The definition of hunting -- or at least its potentially broad meaning -- has become a key to a lawsuit filed by Orion against the Nelson County Board of Supervisors. The suit went to trial on Wednesday. The field trip yesterday was presented as evidence for the court case.

Orion contends in its suit that the board violated its right to hunt under the Virginia Constitution by denying a special-use permit to operate a shotgun-sports center where customers shoot at clay targets.

Orion's argument is that shooting at clay targets, which simulate a variety of different game birds, is an integral and necessary part of hunting in part because it makes hunters safer and more proficient at the sport.

Orion contends that its proposed shotgun-shooting center is a part of the hunt, in its broad meaning, and protected under a recent amendment to the state constitution that gives residents the constitutional right to "hunt, fish, and harvest game."

The unusual claim has spurred widespread, national publicity over the suit, especially in gun and sporting magazines.

The county has argued that the denial of the special-use permit was simply a land-use decision based on zoning laws and questions about safety and noise raised by irate neighbors. The county says the shotgun-sports center is nothing more than a shooting range.

The county has also argued that the definition of hunting is very clear. It is the pursuit and killing of live animals, not shooting at inanimate objects.

After listening to two days of testimony -- much of it from expert hunters testifying for Orion that hunting is more than just shooting live animals -- Gamble took a look for himself at the isolated Orion estate located on the banks of the James River near the tiny river village of Wingina.

He saw game fields, where corn is left standing to shelter and attract game birds, open fields with flocks of doves and thick undergrowth where pheasant are planted to be hunted by dogs. Deer and wild turkey are also plentiful.

Freckles, an English setter, pointed at a pheasant, which was shot as it flushed. Another pheasant, shot after being released from a high ridge, folded its wings and dropped to the ground. Shotgunners also took shots at a variety of clay discs, which are mechanically thrown to simulate the flight of game birds.

After the three-hour tour, Gamble and the attorneys returned to the courtroom in Lovingston. Al Inigo, a lawyer for the Board of Supervisors, asked the judge to strike the suit in part because Orion had not proven the county's action in denying the special-use permit was arbitrary and unreasonable as required by law.

Inigo also said that the term "hunt is perfectly clear, you don't need an expert to tell you what hunting is."

Many sporting-clay shooters are "not interested in hunting. They're in it for the competition, the fun and amusement of it," Inigo said.

Gamble, who denied Inigo's motion, will not hand down a decision until briefs are filed and oral arguments, scheduled for late June, are heard.

Morris Peterson, Orion's managing director, told reporters the shotgun-shooting center was an integral part of Orion's business, which now includes a state-licensed hunting preserve and a 10,000-square-foot corporate-training center as well as a helicopter landing pad.

Peterson said more than $5 million would be invested in the estate if the suit is won, and that several hundred memberships would be offered, with the top-tier membership costing about $35,000 a year.


Contact Carlos Santos at (434) 295-9542 or [email protected]
 
465 acres; shotguns.

Humph. The db level from the shooting would be less at the boundary than the db level from a car's tires driving by one's house if at a normal spacing from road to house--say 50 to 100 feet or so. Anybody inside their home wouldn't hear shotguns at 400 yards or more away...

My personal experience with shooting and residential subdivisions was when I still lived on the old family place outside of Austintatious. My benchrest was about 300 yards from the nearest houses built in the 1970s. I asked the closer neighbors how loud was my .30-'06? Inside, almost inaudible. In the backyard, obvious but not objectionable. Frontyard? "Aw, no problem."

This is an anti-gun deal, not an anti-noise deal...And, maybe, anti-rich-folks, which is despicable class warfare. "They're having fun, and we can't allow that!"

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