Federal Bill HB 3018 Would Impose 20% Tax On Guns, 50% On Ammo

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House Reps Davis & Pacsrell tried to sneak one in last week when everyone thought they were on recess. HB3018 would impose a 20% tax on all firearm sales and a 50% tax on 'shells and cartridges:

http://amgoa.org/Proposed-Federal-Gun-Legislation-HB3018/Federal-Law/473

‘‘(1) Articles taxable at 20 percent:
‘‘(A) Pistols.
‘‘(B) Revolvers.
‘(C) Firearms (other than pistols and revolvers).
‘‘(D) Any lower frame or receiver for a firearm, whether for a semiautomatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun that is designed to accommodate interchangeable upper receivers.
‘‘(2) Articles taxable at 50 percent: Shells and cartridges.’’.

Of course all federal agencies would be exempt.

Story on the bill: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/26/dems-sponsor-bill-for-20-tax-on-guns-50-on-ammo-82227
 
At what point does taxation become infringement? I think we need a bill/law to make guns and ammo tax free to avoid any question on this issue.

Jim
 
I suspect the 2 guys sponsoring this are puckering up for their local gun grabbing liberal voters. There is virtually no chance this would even pass in the senate and zero chance of it even being taken up in the house... I am sure they are aware of this fact.
 
I am aware of the fact also, but that still does not change the fact that a tax on a right is an infringement on a right.
Last time I checked, poll taxes were illegal also. They are a tax levied on a right. Kind of like taxes on guns and ammo.

Jim
 
I am aware of the fact also, but that still does not change the fact that a tax on a right is an infringement on a right.
Last time I checked, poll taxes were illegal also. They are a tax levied on a right. Kind of like taxes on guns and ammo.

Jim

See: National Firearms Act 1934.

They can do it.
 
The co-sponsors are D's from NJ and IL. They are definitely pandering to their liberal base(es), but the anti's have made it clear that they will stop at nothing to erode the 2nd amendment.

The worst part about this is the increased NFA tax stamp cost because that segment of the population does not contribute to firearm violence and the stamp simply funds the red-tape created by the NFA. This is nothing but an infringement thinly veiled as a cash grab.

Since the CDC study that Obama commissioned came back with statistics that overwhelmingly contradicted the talking points the Anti's were spouting, they have lost any political capital/momentum they still had. I think this will go exactly one place when Congress gets back in session; the circular file.

Once the IL CCW law fully rolls out and firearm violence in Chi-town finally starts to level off and decline, these folks will be forced to re-think their strategies. Nevermind, they've never had a use for facts or crime statistics before, so why would they start now.
 
On the NFA, they propose raising the taxes to $100 on AOWs (currently $5) and $500 on all other NFA items (currently $200). And the number of gun crimes committed with registered NFA firearms is touted by gun control advocates as zero, as proof gun registration "works". (There's been a lot of crimes committed with unregistered machineguns, including the assassination of talk show host Alan Berg by a white supremacist group who got theirs from another group that operated an underground factory and sales of illegal machineguns imported with cocaine by a conspiracy in KY-VA in the 1980s. I am sure that raising taxes on lawabiding collectors will impact radicals and criminals.)
 
They just can't stop. Even the gun owners who don't think we should be allowed to own "Assault Weapons" have to be mad about this one.
 
Another example of trying to use the tax code to influence specific behaviors, favoring some and punishing others. It as never supposed to be that way.
 
I might be willing to trade a $500 tax on machine guns for them reopening the registry....

Gotta love pre-election "time to woo my voters" season. :banghead:
 
Once the IL CCW law fully rolls out and firearm violence in Chi-town finally starts to level off and decline, these folks will be forced to re-think their strategies. Nevermind, they've never had a use for facts or crime statistics before, so why would they start now.

the murder rate has already been in decline in Chicago this year. The officials claim their policies are working now, but I equate it to the looming CCW law or that they began dialing back the killings because they were in the national spotlight and knew they'd get hit hard somehow.
 
Like the rest of you, I point-blank don't get how the blame for inner-city crime has anything to do with rural gun owners (or any law-abiding gun owner).
Most of the people I know get uneasy at the thought of entering a city. Not because they're scared of crime - they just don't freaking like cities!
So if you can't even get them to drive into a city, how are you going to blame them when the inhabitants of those cities decide to shoot one-another?
 
Honestly, this is just preposterous. Thankfully I reload, but this is just outlandish. It sure would be nice if our chosen officials were publicly ridiculed and flogged for such stupid and infringing proposed legislation.
 
The mere attempt to enact this is infuriating for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that the crooks who propose it and support it willfully ignore (they can't be that dumb, so it's got to be willful) the fact that it would disarm honest people and have little or no effect on the drug dealers and killers in these crooked politicians' districts. Many of the poor honest people of course would not be able to pay the "taxes" but the killer drug dealers with spare bedrooms full of more cash than they can even spend, those scum won't be effected. And that's assuming those scum would abide by the idiotic new gun law in the first place, which they won't.

Further to this, at the rate we are going, buying/owning/using guns and/or ammunition WILL become a punishable (in some manner or another) offense in the not-too-distant future. That's because laws and the constitution matter little to this current administration, and I'm sure future ones will have learned how to play the new radical govern-at-will game.

If you are paying any attention whatsoever to what's happening, you see that they do what they want, NOT what the law dictates. If they don't like a law, they don't enforce it. If they want to do something but don't have the authority, they just do it anyway, such as using the IRS as a political tool or the EPA as a policy tool. When you have a radical in the oval office, a complicit Senate, and a crooked cowboy heading the DOJ, there's no defense against them just interpreting the law any way they want and doing whatever they want.

As smart as the founding fathers were and as amazing job as they did in framing the government of the country, they were unable to allow for the situation we face today. (Well, actually, they probably expected another revolution would be required if we ever got here -- "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time......." an all.) The above-noted group can do whatever they want and there's no consequence because when the DOJ supports and even promotes the usurping of the constitution and the failure to enforce the laws that we have, there's no provision to bring them back in line. That's exactly where we already are with many aspects of the law and many activities of various government agencies. They WILL get around to guns or ammo eventually. They don't need no law or new legislation to do it.
 
The increase in the excise tax on firearms/ammunition to 20%/50% obviously isn't going to fly. But the other provision in this proposed legislation (the increase in the NFA transfer tax from $200 to $500) could be a vehicle for pro-gun amendments -- mainly the repeal of the Hughes Amendment. Don't just dismiss this out of hand -- load it with "poison pills" and see what happens.

I for one wouldn't mind paying a $500 transfer tax if (a) I could get new machine guns and (b) the processing times were substantially reduced.
 
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