FFL dealer pricing?
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mgkdrgn
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I'm in the process of doing the same thing, but don't expect to get "wholesale" prices on anything unless I buy in wholesale size lots.
If you are going through the trouble of getting an FFL to get a discount on purchases, you are going after it for the wrong reasons. (IMHO)
If you are going through the trouble of getting an FFL to get a discount on purchases, you are going after it for the wrong reasons. (IMHO)
If you are going through the trouble of getting an FFL to get a discount on purchases, you are going after it for the wrong reasons. (IMHO)
+1, in addition ATF will know if you are just in it for your own personal benefit of getting dealer pricing or you truly are running a business (which I assume they will set a quote of how many firearms you need to be selling each year)
+1, in addition ATF will know if you are just in it for your own personal benefit of getting dealer pricing or you truly are running a business (which I assume they will set a quote of how many firearms you need to be selling each year)
dogtown tom
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It's hard to give a flat percentage because each manufacturer is different and each wholesale distributor is different.
It varies depending on distributor and your sales volume. A dealer ordering one hundred guns a year gets a much less attractive discount than does the dealer ordering a thousand guns a year. And you'll never get a better price on 10/22's, 870's and the like than WalMart, Dick's or Academy does.
And what would be the right reasons?
Do both of you expect the OP to try and be competitive by buying at retail?
Nowhere did he mention getting the FFL for a personal discount.
If you don't get wholesale or dealer pricing- how the heck are you going to make a profit? Might want to double check that business plan.
The ATF doesn't set a quota.
Chicken-Farmer
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Have you looked into getting a C&R License?
If you are interested in getting "dealer" pricing why don't you just get yourself a Curio and Relic license. Having a C&R limits you to purchasing firearms that are 50 years or older. Also with my C&R i get discounts from Midwayusa, Graf and Sons, Brownells, Numrich, Century Arms, and a handful of others. The discounts differ from company to company, but some are pretty substantial. I would love to have an FFL, but i don't want to be a dealer. There once was a time when an individual could pay for the FFL and never actually sell firearms to anyone else, but those days are long gone. My C&R costs $30 for three years and their is no quota for the amount of firearms you have to purchase, if you purchase any at all!
Chicken-Farmer
If you are interested in getting "dealer" pricing why don't you just get yourself a Curio and Relic license. Having a C&R limits you to purchasing firearms that are 50 years or older. Also with my C&R i get discounts from Midwayusa, Graf and Sons, Brownells, Numrich, Century Arms, and a handful of others. The discounts differ from company to company, but some are pretty substantial. I would love to have an FFL, but i don't want to be a dealer. There once was a time when an individual could pay for the FFL and never actually sell firearms to anyone else, but those days are long gone. My C&R costs $30 for three years and their is no quota for the amount of firearms you have to purchase, if you purchase any at all!
Chicken-Farmer
The main reason I am considering obtaining an FFL is that I frequently buy/sell on gunbroker and other places like that. I am active enough on gunbroker that paying the 200 for an FFL is cheaper than what ill spend paying $15 per transfer per gun at the local shop. I like building AR-15's from kits and customizing tactical rifles. If I can obtain wholesale discounts to make a little money on the way, then I may pursue getting an FFL.
Thanks to all who have replied
Thanks to all who have replied
dogtown tom
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Once you get your 01FFL you can't build AR15's from kits- that's maunfacturing and requires a 07FFL.
There are WEIRD things in ATF regs that are suprising in their stupidity:
If a customer brings in a firearm and wants it Duracoated or wants nightsights installed on a Glock, an 01FFL can do it- it's considered "gunsmithing".
However, an 01FFL cannot buy old firearms, Duracoat them and then offer them for sale OR install nightsights on Glocks already in his inventory and offer them for sale. To do either is considered "manufacturing", which needs the 07FFL.
That's not exactly true. I specifically asked on this one. ATF has gone through various revisions.
According to the memo I saw, if it is purely cosmetic or involves simply dropping in parts, then it's OK for an 01ffl to do. Anything more than that requries an 07.
According to the memo I saw, if it is purely cosmetic or involves simply dropping in parts, then it's OK for an 01ffl to do. Anything more than that requries an 07.
dogtown tom
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Source?
dogtown tom
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Thanks Buba613!!!
I'm on the ATF email list and in the past I have always received these updates the week they came out. Not this one.
But that ruling only addresses "drop in" parts- not assembling complete AR's from stripped lowers, parts kits and uppers. Nor does it allow the dealer to Duracoat and sell his own firearms.
I'm on the ATF email list and in the past I have always received these updates the week they came out. Not this one.
But that ruling only addresses "drop in" parts- not assembling complete AR's from stripped lowers, parts kits and uppers. Nor does it allow the dealer to Duracoat and sell his own firearms.
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getting and keeping your ffl is a little harder than it used to be. i opened a gun shop 2 years ago. the days of getting your ffl just to buy your personal guns are over. you must have a business open to the public with set business hours. atf will send a agent to look at your business site and conduct a interview with you prior to giving you a ffl. and i can tell you from experience that a lot of the bigger wholesalers will reguire pictures of your store front business and bank account records before setting up a dealer account. the new ffl dealer applications have a couple of questions about the type of business you will open, if you are planning to do on-line sales only. or gunshow sales only. your ffl will be denied.. the big deal now is you must have a store opened to the public..
getting and keeping your ffl is a little harder than it used to be. i opened a gun shop 2 years ago. the days of getting your ffl just to buy your personal guns are over. you must have a business open to the public with set business hours. atf will send a agent to look at your business site and conduct a interview with you prior to giving you a ffl. and i can tell you from experience that a lot of the bigger wholesalers will reguire pictures of your store front business and bank account records before setting up a dealer account. the new ffl dealer applications have a couple of questions about the type of business you will open, if you are planning to do on-line sales only. or gunshow sales only. your ffl will be denied.. the big deal now is you must have a store opened to the public..
dogtown tom
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:banghead::banghead::banghead:
HORSEHOCKEY!!!!!
1. Public hours ARE NOT required and never have been. ATF does ask in the application what are the "business hours" (the hours you plan to conduct business and the hours ATF can come to inspect your records).
2. I have dealer accounts with CDNN, RSR, Davidson's and about eight other wholesalers- NONE of them, as in ZERO, NADA, ZILCH.....asked for pictures of my storefront. SOME manufacturers (like Glock) demand storefront photos if you want to get in their preferred dealer program.
3. There is no requirement to be open to the public. If do buying and selling over the internet from my home it is considered "business" at my licensed premises.
I beg you to find in ATF regulations where your above claims are stated.
Here's a good place to start: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faqindex.htm
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Assembling complete firearms from parts kits makes you a manufacturer. This of course is tax related.
Duracoating the gun would seem to be purely cosmetic and permitted without an 07.
But there is an ATF office responsible for your area and that's where the questions ought to be directed.
goose2
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I wouldn't get to excited about getting an FFL license. The way I see it you would be lucky to get one. They are already cutting the smaller garage type FFL holders out.
dogtown tom
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:banghead::banghead::banghead:
As I said above.........HORSEHOCKEY.
I'm about as small time as it gets and I got my FFL with ZERO hassle from ATF.
The 01FFL is a "shall issue"......meaning if you can operate legally as a business in your locale then you get the license.
I'm a home FFL that doesn't even have a kitchen table.
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