Fire Mission: Kroger Grocery, anti gun AND racist

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I wonder how many guns will be stolen so that some gangbanger can get his fix money for the day?

How many punk kids will steal their dad's gun to sell just to get back at him for something?

This stuff happens with buy back programs. They are stupid forms of gun control, which still makes them wrong.
 
One issue I've not seen mentioned is or questioned is who initiated the program.

Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Dwaine Caraway is credited for starting this, at least in the local media.


Oh, the local news just did an on-scene story.

3 guns sold.
 
Well my $0.02.

I'm voting with my Dollars, QFC will not be getting my money (QFC is the Kroger brand in WA).

The requirement of ID is the real kicker for me, it eliminates any possibility of removing illegal guns from circulation. While removing legally owned firearms from people who made a choice to feed the family for a few days or have a self defense weapon for much longer (of course I'm not highly complimentary of them either see my sig).

I think since they're a sponsor they could have made this an amnesty (no Identification), which might have removed illegally owned guns from circulation (if I illegally owned say a Glock, could simultaneously get $50 and rid of the gun, it's a much fairer trade).

Ultimately regardless of the tag it is discriminatory. The buy back value is so low regardless of heritage it's going to hit the poor.

So I sent this.

Dallas Buy back event at Reunion Arena on Feb 28th.

I am very disappointed with Kroger's involvement in this event. For two specific reasons

1) As a second amendment supporter I disagree that this will achieve any substantial crime reduction, while removing the self defense ability of people who live in high crime, and high poverty areas who are making a hard decision as to whether to keep a self defense weapon, or put food on the table.

2) The nature and marketing of the event makes me believe that the event is specifically targeted at the Hispanic and Black ethnic groups.

Obviously your sponsorship is designed to provide minimal cost to you, and your research has not adequately covered the current costs of firearms, $50 for a functional firearm (long or hand gun) is a pittance, to the point of insult. Also by the requirement of identification to be presented, this has eliminated the possibility of removing illegally owned firearms from circulation, which would have been a much better goal. At the same time small families at or below the poverty line might decide that 1 or two days of food might be a more important short term goal than having a self defense weapon available to them. These people often live in areas for instance Oak Cliff, where having a defensive weapon might in a very real sense be the only thing standing between that family and criminals.

I'm not holding Kroger solely responsible for the event and requirements, but being sponsor you would have had input on the event, and could have recommended that no identification be required.

Due to this I will be voting with my dollars and frequenting Safeway, or Albertsons in future.
 
I don't follow gun buy-back programs very closely, but offhand I can't remember one that wasn't conducted in a minority populated/low income neighborhood. Of course these are also high-crime areas, with most of the shooting incidents being drug-dealing related. Obviously those who are involved in "the business" are unlikely to be the ones that turn in any hardware. If you look at the amount of money (or whatever) that's offered it's obvious who’s the buy-back's are targeting.

It's not the folks that live in high-rise condos.
 
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"Dallas is not using public money to purchase the gift cards, which Kroger is providing at a 30 percent discount to event sponsors, Dallas spokesman Frank Librio said."

Probably a dumb question, but does that make Kroger the "buyer?" If so, are all federal and state firearm purchase laws being followed or broken (i.e. background check for each purchase, waiting period, multiple purchases) etc?
 
Just addressing the "racist" aspect of this. All "gun control" has it's roots in racism. "Gun control," is really "people control." The CCW laws in California were passed in the 1800's with the intent of keeping firearms out of the hands of "chinese", this at a time when "chinese" could not testify in court against "whites." Missouri laws regarding gun purchase, required getting a letter from the "good ol' boy" sheriff to allow a purchase, this intended to keep "blacks" from purchasing. And if you look at one of the most common terms used against handguns over the years, "Saturday Night Specials," few politicians use the complete, original term, "Ni@@er-town Saturday night specials." So yes, "gun control" in any form is racist. While most hedge their racism in "reasonableness" it means "people control," and most have "those people," whoever they dislike, in mind.
 
in reguard to the subtopic of attempting to purchase guns at a buy back I found this article with a reference to that.

http://www.ohio.com/news/34884884.html

"As people waited in line outside the church, Holland said, some gun collectors attempted to purchase weapons, but they were asked to leave."
 
Kroger is by far my biggest customer. I work with a lot of employees from upper management on down to store level. Many of them own guns and the Loss Prevention Manager actually shoots at the same range as me and owns several guns. Kroger sponsors a lot of local and even neighborhood events, and has stores in every ethnic and demographic area there is. I don't agree with all the community events, and hell I don't even believe in
"Black History Month" as history is history no matter what color the people are or were. This country is still a free Republic and people have the right to do what ever they want to as long at it's legal. If some fools want to throw away their guns, I don't give a damn. I'm keeping mine and I'm not going to be influenced by some whiners or wienners from either side of what I believe to be a non-event in my life. I was at a Kroger in Knoxville that was sponsoring a turkey shoot last year. I didn't see anybody protesting there.
 
I remember working at the local PD as a teen and when some poor sap had his guns confiscated as a result of a 209a (restraining order) the gun expert Sgt would walk down the line saying, "mine, mine, mine" He was a great guy a and a true connesouir.....the winchesters would get returned and the Parkers would dissapear....lost during processing.

Your sarge sounds like a serious ****** and a criminal to boot, stealing people's stuff.
 
Kroger is by far my biggest customer. I work with a lot of employees from upper management on down to store level. Many of them own guns and the Loss Prevention Manager actually shoots at the same range as me and owns several guns. Kroger sponsors a lot of local and even neighborhood events,

I'm sure Kroger has done and still does good works.

But as a company philosophy it's crazy to become involved on one side or another in Religion, Politics, Gun Control or Abortion.

They should have stayed out of gun control. They need to be informed of their mistake.

If you know folks at Kroger on an executive level, you might let them know about this. The company is certainly free to get involved in polarizing issues like this, but it needs to understand the consequences.
 
TR,

Kroger sells gift cards at discount to all sorts of organizations. The gift cards may have been sold to one of the sponsors without knowing where they were specifically going.

It might be best to run this down in detail before executing collaborators. It would be terribly embarrassing to us if it turned out that one of the sponsors with a 501.c.3 status bought the cards and Kroger provided 30% discounts to all qualified 501.c.3s. This could do the RKBA community some harm is we've gone off half cocked.
 
They should have stayed out of gun control. They need to be informed of their mistake.

I don't see this as a gun control issue, as it is completely voluntary. If I deceide to throw all my guns in the river it should be nobody's problem but the fish. They are MY guns to do with as I please as long as it's legal to do so.
 
I don't see this as a gun control issue, as it is completely voluntary.

So is my shopping at their competitors from now on. Completely voluntary.

Unless Kroger disavows this publicly, they are connected to an anti gun political agenda, so I am free to spend thousands of dollars a year on groceries somewhere else.

Ain't freedom great?

Knowingly or not, Kroger has supported an anti gun political agenda. If it happened unknowingly, then they need to be made aware and in the future better vet their support of groups. if they knowingly participated, gun owners should let them know that mistake will cost them money.

As for going off half cocked, I'm more than happy to resume spending money at Kroger should they publicly disavow support of this anti gun agenda. I'll be looking for a response from them. Schepps Dairy as well.

I'm in email correspondence with Trey Garrison as well http://www.treygarrison.com/
I believe he has a better chance of uncovering exactly what happened here.
 
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Unless Kroger disavows this publicly, they are connected to an anti gun political agenda, so I am free to spend thousands of dollars a year on groceries somewhere else.

You are free to spend your money elsewhere regardless of what Kroger does.

So you were already spending thousands a year on groceries at Kroger before this buy-back? Or do you just spend thousands a year on groceries of which Kroger will now never see any percentage of it?

FYI, they purchased 147 guns.

In watching the news this evening, I should have been surprised at the folks they showed standing in line with guns to sell, given the OP. If the buy-back was targeting blacks and hispanics as a racist ploy, then it seems to have done a fairly poor job given the numbers of whites shown to be selling guns.

http://cbs11tv.com/local/Gun.Buyback.Program.2.946917.html
 
Well, I'm a DFW area gun owner who shops at Kroger, Tom Thumb and (occasisonally) Albertsons.

As of today, that changes. And I will be letting Kroger know about this change, and the reasons for it.

Bastiges. :cuss:
 
Probably a dumb question, but does that make Kroger the "buyer?" If so, are all federal and state firearm purchase laws being followed or broken (i.e. background check for each purchase, waiting period, multiple purchases) etc?

None of that stuff is required for private sales in Texas.
 
So you were already spending thousands a year on groceries at Kroger before this buy-back?

I did 100% of my grocery shopping at Kroger until this weekend.

If the buy-back was targeting blacks and hispanics as a racist ploy, then it seems to have done a fairly poor job given the numbers of whites shown to be selling guns.

That doesn't change the fact that the marketing was aimed at the minority community.
 
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Double Naught must be blind. I watched the CBS 11 video and it wasn't mainly white folks selling guns; it appeared to be blacks that were turning in their weapons for a stupid gift card.
Bunch of ignorant people! Gun control is racist!

And I maintain that only a fool would turn in his gun for his free liquor card.. OOPS I mean FOOD card.
 
If it happened unknowingly, then they need to be made aware and in the future better vet their support of groups.

TR,

Have you ever approached any retailer on behalf of a c3 nonprofit? My wife and I have.

What they need to know for their corporate donations program is can you prove you are a c3. Not what you're doing, but did you bring your c3 paperwork with you and can you fill out their form for their finance/accounting program. If you just want to purchase gift cards the manager may have the authority to make the decision to discount them on his own. They probably give an automatic discount on the cards with the c3. If you need a bunch or you want them for free they usually have to go up to the regional giving coordinator.

Let's be sure of what we're doing.

So, find out who the guilty party is and what they're guilty of before going off half cocked.
 
Double Naught must be blind. I watched the CBS 11 video and it wasn't mainly white folks selling guns; it appeared to be blacks that were turning in their weapons for a stupid gift card.
Bunch of ignorant people! Gun control is racist!

And I maintain that only a fool would turn in his gun for his free liquor card.. OOPS I mean FOOD card.

Try rereading my post. I never claimed it was mainly white folks selling back guns, did I, but there were a lot for a buy-back that supposedly targeted blacks and hispanics.

While on the topic, just how is a buy-back gun control? How is people voluntarily selling what they don't want gun control or racist?

And I maintain that only a fool would turn in his gun for his free liquor card.. OOPS I mean FOOD card.

Since your OOPS obviously isn't a mistake, are you suggesting that people who sold back guns are alcoholics? Since you weren't there, how is it you think you know what they are going to buy with the cards?
 
Ok, this is turning into more than one discussion so it's closed. Perhaps when we start to get replies from Kroger we'll open another thread.
 
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