Fitting gas checks to non-GC bullets?

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Just started messing with gas checks. Bullets are LEE tumble lubes sized .358 and .429 with flat bases. I can't get a .38 or .44 gas check to fit on the flat base.

Do I need to use a gaschecked base bullet or jump to a .375 and .452 gas check?
 
They are not designed to use gas checks. If you keep velocities under 1200fps, leading should not be a big issue.
When you purchase molds, you need to get a design that uses GC.



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The bullet must be designed to use a gas check, you need to purchase a mold that drops that style of bullet. My favorite for 357 is Lyman 358156. I don't use a gas checked bullet in any of my 44 Specials or 44 magnums with the single exception of Lyman 429303 and that is a special design spitzer type bullet. Take a look at the list of Lee molds, there should be a gas check bullet design that will work for you.
 
Thanks fellas. I'm aware of the bullet base difference as I also have GC based bullet moulds. Was hoping to run some lead thru .357mag and .44mag rifles and really didn't want to have to buy more molds. Oh well, guess you can never have too many molds.
 
There is a gentleman on castboolits.com who makes a die that will punch a gascheck that will fit on a plainbase bullet. His forum name is PatMarlin. The reports back on his .35 caliber Plain Base check maker are good. I'm awaiting one in .44 caliber at this time.

You can also form a base that will accept a gas check on a plain base bullet. It takes either a Forster case trimmer or a Hornady Cam Lock Bullet Puller. With the Forster case trimmer, you simply place the plain base bullet in the stepped collet and crank it closed, which forms the step for the gas check. The Hornady Cam Lock works the same way. When you close the cam of the proper size on the bullet base, it forms the step for the gas check.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
beagle, a member on the castboolits forum has an article in cast pics of peircing a hole in a gas check then placing it in the mold & pouring thru the hole !!!
 
There is a gentleman on castboolits.com who makes a die that will punch a gascheck that will fit on a plainbase bullet. His forum name is PatMarlin. The reports back on his .35 caliber Plain Base check maker are good. I'm awaiting one in .44 caliber at this time.

You can also form a base that will accept a gas check on a plain base bullet. It takes either a Forster case trimmer or a Hornady Cam Lock Bullet Puller. With the Forster case trimmer, you simply place the plain base bullet in the stepped collet and crank it closed, which forms the step for the gas check. The Hornady Cam Lock works the same way. When you close the cam of the proper size on the bullet base, it forms the step for the gas check.

Hope this helps.

Fred
Pat Marlin over on castboolits.com's gas check making dies are absolutely top notch! I use one to make GC's for my 8mm Mauser and am presently waiting on delivery of the .30 caliber one to fit my .311 diameter cast bullets for the Enfield .303 and the Mosin 91/30.

He is now producing dies that will allow you to make gas checks out of copper or aluminum and fit on bullets that do not have the shank reduced to allow for gas check fitting.

These are working well now in several calibers and you can actually use pop or beer can aluminum to make your checks out of. Very cheap material.

I haven't had the opportunity to use anything but the .32 caliber one I use for the 8mm Mauser cast bullets, but gas checks made out of .014" thick aluminum flashing actually give me better accuracy than the Hornady commercially made copper ones and a heck of a lot cheaper as well. The Hornady's cost roughly $30 per thousand and out of 14 bucks worth of .014 aluminum flashing, I can make over 16000 .32 caliber gas checks.

Pat has been pioneering the plain base gas checks and his dies are first rate.
www.castboolits.com and look for the "Gas Checks" forum on the main page.
 
LEE tumble lube bullets are not flat based, they are a bevel base and I've used gas checks on them. It takes an extra step to load as I put the gas check into the case first them placed the bullet on top of the gas check and seat it as normal. I've found spent bullets with the gas check still attached to the bottom of the slug.
 
Ditchtiger, interesting idea. How's the accuracy? What type of expander are you using?
 
LEE tumble lube bullets are not flat based, they are a bevel base and I've used gas checks on them. It takes an extra step to load as I put the gas check into the case first them placed the bullet on top of the gas check and seat it as normal. I've found spent bullets with the gas check still attached to the bottom of the slug.

This is just a bad idea. Let me explain. A gas check HAS to stay on the bullet. It's can't fall off without disturbing the flight of the bullet. Hence, the invention of the CRIMP-ON GAS CHECK. It makes certain the gas check stays on the bullet. Your idea, while sounding good, means the gas check may stay on the bullet, but most likely will come off.

Go back half a century, Lyman gas checks were simple cups that fit on the reduced diameter shanks of bullets designed to take a gas check. They simply slipped on, meaning they could and did slip off during the flight of the bullet. If it fell off straight back, without tipping as it came off, then no harm no foul. But tipping caused the bullet to get kicked sideways, causing it to wobble, sometimes to tumble,(if it was close to being under stabilized).

Now, a gas check is not a magic cure for leading. It allows a bit more velocity without causing leading that results from the flame cutting on the base of a bullet. It also acts like a scraper to the barrel, taking the big chunks of lead out with it. It prevents or helps in eliminating blow-by of powder gases that are another cause of leading.

Proper fit of the bullet to the bore is most important. To know what size the bullet should be, you have to slug the bore to know it's dimensions. Then size the bullets accordingly.

Bullet lube is the second most important item. A properly made bullet with the right lube can be pushed harder without leading.
 
kelbro, They were pop can accurate at 30 yards. Never tested them on paper against un-checked bullets, but it seemed to be the same. I just did it as an experiment for something to do out of curiosity. Was using a Dillon Square Deal B and this was 20 years ago and don't remember much more. Was shooting them out of a S&W 625.
 
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