Foxnews Alert: Gunman on VA Tech campus
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According to the University President's statement of the timeline, the gunman killed himself at approximately 9:45, as the police were approaching him in Norris Hall. Apparently, they made entry to go after the shooter when they got to the building, but he killed himself prior to their arrival.
Geronimo45
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I could swear that I saw a cop with a Five-Seven pistol on Fox. He's going up stairs, near a handrail.
As for the loud noise in the video - microphones don't work nearly as well as the human ear in detecting relative noise levels... so don't put too much into that.
As for the loud noise in the video - microphones don't work nearly as well as the human ear in detecting relative noise levels... so don't put too much into that.
tydephan
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266460,00.html
Parents already calling for the exit of VT President and Police Chief.
Parents already calling for the exit of VT President and Police Chief.
VegasEgo
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O great they now have Dr. Phil, talking. He would be the last person i would want to listen too at this time. Would the loud bang be some kind of charge to get the chains off the door? Also, I think it was a domestic, and when the gunman didnt get who probably was his x's, new boyfriend, he went to his class and jsut went to a couple of classes thinking he was in there and just started to shoot.
ripcurlksm
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yup yup
ojibweindian
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Can't see where the cops or the VT Pres. are at fault.
Anybody know how many police it would take to secure 2600 developed acres, and inform everyone within the vicinity (over 26,000) that a double murder had just occurred? I'll bet it's more than the VT Blacksburg Police have in total.
Also, how many of you know, within half an hour, if a murder has occurred in your community? And does your town shut down, completely, when a murder does occur? How often does somehing like this occur; what were the odds of it occuring at VT before 7:15 ET this morning?
Is everyone who blames the police and the VT president for lack of notification and protection willing to pay the increased cost of tuition to secure the staff needed to "ensure" safety?
Anybody know how many police it would take to secure 2600 developed acres, and inform everyone within the vicinity (over 26,000) that a double murder had just occurred? I'll bet it's more than the VT Blacksburg Police have in total.
Also, how many of you know, within half an hour, if a murder has occurred in your community? And does your town shut down, completely, when a murder does occur? How often does somehing like this occur; what were the odds of it occuring at VT before 7:15 ET this morning?
Is everyone who blames the police and the VT president for lack of notification and protection willing to pay the increased cost of tuition to secure the staff needed to "ensure" safety?
bogie
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I guess they don't have a public address system...
Or e-mail...
Or the "network of secretaries."
Nope.
Or e-mail...
Or the "network of secretaries."
Nope.
cngerms
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I can see it. They both signed off on a policy that prohibits students and faculty who are VA CHP holders from carrying concealed handguns on campus. If you are a VT student or faculty member caught carrying, you can be expelled or fired respectively.
They both signed off on a gun control policy that contributed to the deaths of 33 people today. Send 'em packin'! That's grounds enough for me!
Cacique500
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If that's the case, how'd he get the gun? Didn't think those here on a student visa were eligible to legally purchase a firearm...
ATW525
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From what I've heard they managed to lock down the campus during a previous incident. Assuming that's true, then they had the capability to do so and made the decision not to.
tydephan
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The issue that I have with it is they decided to NOT cancel classes, even after determining that someone had been murdered on campus and a suspect WAS NOT in custody.
It would seem that classes could have been canceled very easily. Notify via the PA system, via email and other electronic systems. Close major entrances into the campus. I mean, in retrospect they had more than 2 hours to make sure no students were in class. These two hours could have been used to completely secure the entrances/exits to campus and turn around incoming traffic.
But their excuse was they thought it was a domestic disturbance and the suspect had left campus. Why assume that? And a "domestic disturbance?" For goodness sake, someone was dead!
Makes no sense to me. Should they be fired? I don't know. It's a difficult decision.
It's kind of like the kids that were killed in Enterprise, Alabama by a tornado a month or two ago. They were killed because the school wanted to push the limit to "squeeze" in as much educational time as possible. They were going to release school at 1:00 pm, but the tornado struck at 12:55.
Why run the risk of something catastrophic happening when all the facts are still not known. Cancel classes and sort things out.
ojibweindian
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Bogie
Do you get an email everytime there's a murder in your area of St Louis? Do the cops use the loud speakers, or go door to door notifying residents? How many people actually hear the damn storm sirens when they go off? I rarely do.
Do they close off every street in your community; would they be able to effectively pull that off?
What everyone seems to forget is that the VT campus is the size of a small city, with the resources of a small city.
Do you get an email everytime there's a murder in your area of St Louis? Do the cops use the loud speakers, or go door to door notifying residents? How many people actually hear the damn storm sirens when they go off? I rarely do.
Do they close off every street in your community; would they be able to effectively pull that off?
What everyone seems to forget is that the VT campus is the size of a small city, with the resources of a small city.
Erebus
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May explain why they haven't officially ID'd him yet. May be having trouble notifying his family.
ojibweindian
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tydephan
If the Huntsville cops closed down Research Park every time there was a murder, none of us missile geeks would ever get anything in the air.
Nobody could have predicted that the first 2 murders would lead to the next 31, unless your omniscient.
If the Huntsville cops closed down Research Park every time there was a murder, none of us missile geeks would ever get anything in the air.
Nobody could have predicted that the first 2 murders would lead to the next 31, unless your omniscient.
scrat
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great just got home and heard about it.
put another mark against people who own guns.
thanks just
thanks.
put another mark against people who own guns.
thanks just
thanks.
ec-10
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ojibweindian
VT uses an e-mail based warning system to inform students of problems/threats on the campus. Just FYI.
VT uses an e-mail based warning system to inform students of problems/threats on the campus. Just FYI.
tydephan
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I agree completely. But if I got to work tomorrow and every government office was closed or closing down, then I would wonder what the hell was going on and probably become slightly more aware of a potential situation.
Same in this case. If the students showed up and there was no class, I don't know too many that would hang around.
Honestly...there's lots of speculation and "what-ifs" that can be argued. But common sense dictates there was no reason to conduct classes.
btw...some of the best sausage I've ever eaten came from Union Grove. I have about 10lbs of it in my freezer right now.
I bet they are willing to pay now if they werent before...
Hopefully though they will see that the only person who is responsible for your safety is you. It would be wonderful if the next generation of adults learned this lesson, maybe this tragedy will help :banghead:
Erebus
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ojibweindian
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My whole point in the past several posts is to point out the obvious; were there a good guy, with a CCW, in the right place at the right time, we'd never had heard about this.
If the VT people are to blame for anything, it would be the prohibition of legally qualified persons to CCW.
All those who are saying the cops are at fault fail to remember that the cops are not under any obligation to protect the public, but enforce the law.
If the VT people are to blame for anything, it would be the prohibition of legally qualified persons to CCW.
All those who are saying the cops are at fault fail to remember that the cops are not under any obligation to protect the public, but enforce the law.
Erebus
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That's the point that we have to make offensively and not allow the anti's to try and create more defenseless people.
Autolycus
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tydephan
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I agree 100%.
I just don't think that is their only infraction. They made poor decisions.
Of course...the only real person to blame is the murderer.
RNB65
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Thanks to some idiot that got dumped by his girlfriend over the weekend, HR 1022 is suddenly starting to look like a done deal. Expect to see this thing move through committee pretty quickly.
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