Kwhi,Phil,Mike, i know great groups like Kwhi posted are mostly due to the person shooting, but i was wondering,in your experiance do most remingtons shoot pretty good out of the box or are there certain things you have to do to them to improve accuracy? I assume a slick up on the trigger is a givin. Are there a lot of custom barrels put on the common Pietta's,Umberti's,ASM, or do the factory barrels normally shoot that well for most of you guys? I know Kwhi had said that the German gun,(cant think of the brand right off),were used by a lot of shooters but wondering how well the more common ones compared.What is really amazing to me is that groups like Kwhi's are done with the factory sites.I know the remington sites far surpass those on a colt but they are still a long ways from being target sites, especially for some of us old geezers.