Getting Into The Swing Of Things.....

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Getting Into The Swing Of Things 101.....

She was pretty enough to make my tired old hormones pay attention. She was also struggling through her introduction to shotgunning at Range 8 at PGC. Her form looked good, but there was an almost imperceptible hesitation in her move just before she pressed the trigger. She didn't know she was pausing, and didn't believe me when I said so. Her male companion was shooting like a rifleman, and hitting enough to make him feel he was doing it right. Classic Testosterone Block.

I said to her,"Get mad at the clay, go after it". A try or two later, her first DESTROYED clay happened, and the smile on her face was my reward. A few more followed before the end of the round.

Last time I saw her, she told me she had hit 18/25 her most recent round with a rented 391. I expect to see her again, and if she keeps going after those clays, she'll keep getting better
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As those who know me know, I watch plenty of new and old shooters on the line. The mistakes tend to fall into categories like head lifting, stopping the swing, yanking the trigger, etc. And some of these are,IMO, connected.

Often, when the swing stops, the head lifts. Oft, the swing stops because the new shooter is trying to aim. And, we tend to lift our heads to see if we hit.

But, like when I take a new shooter on the wobble trap line and we shoot side by side, shooting, loading and calling for the bird quickly, the new shooter hits more because....

He(or she) is not stopping the swing, lifting the head, trying to aim, etc. He's pumped a bit, and trying to get those birds before they get out of range. He's not thinking, he's just shooting the thing.He's going AFTER it. He WANTS to destroy it.

Extra boost goes into the swing, lending inertia an assist. Stopping the swing gets less frequent, and so do the related problems like aiming, headlifting and so on. with better results, the confidence factor improves, and progress happens.

It's easy to see folks who get in the right mindset. They're leaning into the shot like David slinging Goliath, or one of our ancestors hurling a flinted javelin deep into an ibex. They have the same level of concentration as a good barn cat does at a hot mousehole. The whole body is focussed into making the shot. Martial Artists may call it focussing the Chi.

Shotgunning IS a Martial Art, if you haven't noticed.

And while these folks still do miss shots, they don't do it as often for the reasons I've listed.

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Dave, I have a comment. You really need to get a book published. :) I really enjoy your writing.
 
Often times new shooters get so much 'advice' they don't have a clue as to what they are doing right or wrong. I never bothered to get a'certifide intructor' card, but after a few hundred thousand rounds you tend to know what someone is doing wrong when they bring up a shotgun and miss, miss, miss.

As I am not an old timer some people won't take advice from me when it's given, their perogative, so I generaly go on my way. I am probably one of the younger experienced shotgunners here, 36.

You are 100% right about getting them pumped up and after birds. Once their confidence starts to build its easier to teach them the finer points of shooting.
 
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Good topic Dave - Thanks.

Agree with all the fine folks above, I'd take lessons, read any writings and watch any videos these and many fine folks that frequent THR made avalible. Make mine signed please.

[*grin* so just how is that coming along Dave ...and Correia ?];)
 
i'd buy that book.:) i'm pretty darn new and looking for any advice i can get. been reading the 101's, just trying to keep it all straight when i practice.

thanks dave
 
As always Dave ... good to read your gems. I have shot enough to usually know where and how I screw up! .... but nowhere near enough practice yet to get it all put right!

I guess I shoot shottie too infrequently really ... rifles and handguns always taking top slots .. but hey .... I still enjoy it .. and that in the end is what it's all about. No trophies but .... usually a grin ... even a wry one!:D
 
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One would best be served to read the stuff Dave wrote.

I'm still learning...I'm humbled by the compliment.

Them "5 things" one is supposed to RIGHT do all at the same time to get hits...I can demonstrate how NOT to do them - I only need one shell and one bird thrown to show you. :p

I had a lot of practice :D

I can do that, tips on excuses on missing, and if they ever give style points for misses , running into, banging into, falling in mud...:p

-That bird is the IRS taking your money- keep swinging to stop them
-That bird is your ex making off with your stuff - keep swinging to stop them
-That bird is < enter name for attractive girl...described in a manner Art's Grammaw wouldn't approve> and if you stop your swing - she will get away
-If you catch her - Only Then Stop the Gun because you dropped the gun and got better things to do than stay out here in the summer heat shooting skeet, with a bunch of old fart old men :D

Some quotes a mentor shared with me - I never forgot, yeah they worked...

Brister said "paint them out of the sky" - I agree

Whatever you call it , it is being aggressive. If it takes "painting", IRS, the EX...or the "one I can't describe"...be aggressive.
 
Another good one.
like when I take a new shooter on the wobble trap line and we shoot side by side, shooting, loading and calling for the bird quickly, the new shooter hits more because....
...he's not thinking too much. IMO picking up the pace helps new shooters break through problems of over analyzing. Get on the bird fast and shoot it. I'm a new shooter, my best round was with just two of us on the line shooting about as fast as we could load -- no time to think about the last shot, good or bad, only time to react to the bird. I was on them much faster. I seem to do a lot of things better when I don't think about it.
 
Yep
The "human computer" hooked up the peripherals [brain, eye hand, motor skills] do just fine,when left to do their job. If we "interrupt the signal" we miss.

I agree about over -analyzing. I do best If I don't think.

My problem is there are times I do need to think ( like exams) and I can't.

I got a short somewhere..."attenuence" that is my excuse and I'm sticking with it. :)
 
Thanks, folks. A couple things....

sm, I'm still a student too. The more I learn, the more there is to learn.
And, if and when some of this stuff makes it into print, you'll be mentioned in the dedication with some others of our little club here.

Corriea, I need some pics to finish off 101. I hope to hook up with Tom Held on a video too.

Kudu, I listen,even to a relatively young whippersnapper like you. A few tons of lead shot returned to the earth in one's history means more than grey hair and a coat from Orvis with leather patches on the elbows.

Proven, go at your own pace and have fun. BA/UU/R and soon you'll find that you've become deadly effective.If you're in the area, get hold of me. Maybe a round or two will show us both something.

And, I keep learning from the people I shoot with, from MD State Champs to total newbies. And watching someone like dghboy315 learn a new skill is a terrific reward, a huge dose of warmfuzzies injected right into the circuitry.

P95, knowing why one missed a particular shot is the first step in the fix.

Thanks,'dog. Thinking is not the best thing to do when shooting. It gets in the way.
 
I learned to shoot a bow instinctively, i.e. no sights. People often ask how you aim. "Don't think; let your brain do the calculations without your interference." With a shotty, I'm much better jump shooting than pass shooting. Damned brain screws it up! As usual, Dave's right!
Stay safe.
Bob
 
One of these days I would love to shoot some trap with you guys. I've got a ton of lead pellets down range, but only a small percentage of it is in clay games. I think that it would be a great educational experience. (probably humbling too! Darn little orange things move way fast compared to steel plates!)

I think some great points have been brought up in this thread. Sometimes our brain is in fact our greatest enemy to really effective shooting. :) Pistol works the same way for me as well, it isn't really complicated, put the sight where you want the bullet to go, and hold it there while you pull the trigger, pretty much everything else is extraneous. Rifle is the same way.

Shotgun is probably even more instinct and mind set based than the other weapon types.

sm, I wouldn't use the IRS analogy. To many of the guys I shoot with would go over the firing line and attack the clay target with their teeth. :)
 
To many of the guys I shoot with would go over the firing line and attack the clay target with their teeth.

Yeah, most places don't like it when you run downrange and start buttstroking the larger pieces of the clay. Also, it tends to make a round of trap take FOREVER! :uhoh: :D
 
Correia...
Steel targets do move...or was that ME falling? One of us was moving and required "swinging through" :D

Well I can appreceiate folks like yourself in the business you are in. There are a couple of cliche's that perhaps better defines the "agressivness" and the analogy of a clay, dove, duck, rising teal ... and the IRS...

"Some stuff just needs killing"
"If it breaks - It's broke"
"Yep- that fella got determination"


Trapper, If a fella that is 6' 3" served in 'Nam, nicest guy you ever will meet...but your are sooo grateful he is on our side...asks if he may re-shoot High 4...until he gets the hang of it...I put my gun in a rack and just keep pulling. I was honored to do so. Ain't a good way to tell a fella like this to "move your body.,keep swinging and follow through"..Sir!"
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And watching someone like dghboy315 learn a new skill is a terrific reward, a huge dose of warmfuzzies injected right into the circuitry.

so that's why my ears were burning :p no reallly, i'm extreme glad you get something out of our lessons. i usu. feel very guilty b/c i feel like i am getting all the benefits and you are receiving nothing in return. i gotta take you out for some beers one of these days.

as for this thread, excellent post. i was thinking that it would be really helpful when shooting to think about one thing that pulls all the techniques (at least most of them) together. speaking as a totally new beginner, i feel so swamped with all the different elements one needs to get right. on that first day we went shooting, you showed me one element at a time, so it was easy to integrate all the parts. the next 2 times at the range i tried to combine everything at once and it was very hard to do. once i get some muscle memory by dry firing at home, i think focusing only on being aggressive and swinging thorough might do trick. i'll let y'all know after my trip to PGC this friday.
 
Sounds good,315, except for the beers. Way too many carbs for my tired old pancreas. Instead, pass on what you learn to another. Each one teach one. Pay forward, please.

Bob, I took up "Instinctive" archery in my 40s. Shot a longbow until a rotator cuff got cranky.

Corriea, you'd love it. Give it a try. And, destroying those 4" discs will aid your shooting no end. Think about it, short time frames, small target. 4" is about the width of most of the CNS, to boot.

315, when scores drop, go back to square one and take it one step at a time. BAck to basics.
 
Megahoots, Bob. I really miss it, but the silver lining is I've more time for shotguns and this BB.

Longbows vs compounds. I used both and the analogy I use is...

A compound is the peer of the Remington 700 I had with the big Leopold scope, the glass bedded receiver, the 2 lb trigger and the tiny little groups out there at the 200 yard berm.

The longbow was the peer of the little French/Belgian SxS, with its propensity to put the cloud of shot right on the woodcock, quail or dove.Right where I look.

Aim and squeeze vs move,mount,shoot.
 
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