Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Heir Kommt Die Sonne, Jul 8, 2019.
They do still sell the Beetle https://www.vw.com/models/beetle/section/overview/
Yes thank you for clarifying. Guess It's my fault for not clarifying soon enough, although I did post that I was referring to overall category for mid-caliber guns, and said that specifics come after a gun, not before it.
I don't think you can say any one gun is the best but the Glock 19 comes pretty close. If I was restricted to one gun though it would be my Glock 26
Just to rain on your parade...
VW's Last Beetle to leave the factory this week
At New Life Church Jeanne Assam emptied her Berretta 92 (or whatever they call the civilian M9) into Matthew Murray and he was still able to take his own life. I don't carry less than 15 rounds and 2 reloads for church security.
I didn't vote. There is nothing wrong with G19, but Sig, Ruger, H&K, FNH, S&W, CZ, Walther, Beretta.....all make models of identical parameters to compete with it. Just another tool. To me the choice would pretty much be what is on sale.
On the other hand, there are a lot more Glock compatible accessories than for most other similar guns out there.
15 + 1 capacity
In the 9 mil realm it is one of the better more desirable guns for CCW. Due to capacity and dependability it is also an excellent home defense/nightstand gun. It is truly one of those guns that does everything well enough in each category. Yes, I have one G19/4 and I like everything about it with the exception of BTF on occasion. That said, at the risk of losing a few of you I have to say the Sig P365 is working its' way up the favorite scale for me in the ccw category. It has had a rough start due to a few problems that Sig seems to have finally addressed. In MY ccw world the P365 is at the top of the heap with the 12 found mag but that is me. I have no affiliation with Sig other than being an owner of a couple of their guns.
Because of the early issues with the P365 there are a few owners who had problems and justly have a sour taste for the P365 and that is understandable. I think looking forward it will become one of the best selling CCW over time as Sig makes improvements.
Check it out for yourself. As always YMMV
It's best at what it does: a light well-rounded weapon that always goes BANG. There are other comparable options out there now, but Glock was first.
The only thing I concede is that most excellent factory Glock magazines can be found on sale for <$25. Most of remaining gadgets are just a way of spending more money then realy necessary.
This covers all the bases I need covered. I have a 43 for those times when I can not be caught with a gun but I haven't needed that option in 5 years
(Not picking on your post specifically, just as an example to observation)
Man, the 365 is truly the new Glock on the gun boards. Every time a discussion comes up it will surface as the ideal, right as rain. Nothing wrong with it, good gun but mine was too small.
What I wonder is if it will Garner the hate, eventually, that Glock earned for just this same reason. Maybe some pithy nicknames, 365ista or something, be interesting to watch as we go
The first thing I did when I got my VA Beach Sheriff's Department surplus Glock 19 from Summit Gun Broker was to replace the awful 8+ pound trigger. It wasn't as bad as the execrable "New York trigger" that my Glock 22 had, but I hated it nonetheless. I replaced it with 3.5lb Ghost and did the "$0.25 trigger job". It's an entirely different gun now.
You could always follow the Army's example and go with the cheaper bid: the P320.
The only 320 comparable (IMO) is the X Compact, which is more expensive.
Totally agree. I''d take a CZ 9mm over a Glock ANY DAY. Especially a P01.
The G19 is the Ford F-150 of the gun world; it's not perfect, but everyone could use one.
I'm waiting for the 7 inch barrel in .38 Super. All joking aside, a G19 was my first pistol, and I still carry it today. Glocks were the first guns to convince a lot of people that the semi's could be as reliable as their 38. Special or .357 Smith and Wesson revolver.
Yes that's a good idea and so do I carry as much as possible. The instructor was just quoting FBI stats from 30 yrs. the average I guess of rds. used to stop a threat. He wasn't saying don't carry minimal. Most guys in our group carry G19's. I find it hard to carry that in the summer so I carry my xde plus another mag.
Your ammo is also just as important as your G19. Carry a good defensive round from Speer or Hornady. The FBI switched back to 9mm due to improvements in 9mm ballistics which are now on par with .40 S&W or better.
One thing you have to keep in mind: manufacturers do not set to produce the Best handgun, they set to produce what people can afford, as long as it works, so that they can sell enough of them to make money.
What gives them an edge over other manufacturers is how much profit margin they can wring out of a model, competing against another manufacturer's model of similar specs/quality.
Glock stormed the markets not due to superior ergonomics, silky-smooth crisp trigger, concealable slimness, bullseye-worthy accuracy... All of which sorely lacks from any of their products. No, Glock blew away the competition when they offered to LE Departments a $500 gun costing $60 to produce, competing against $550 guns costing $350 to produce - and they offered the same Departments to trade-in their old issue guns for a price that would have sent the competition into bankruptcy.
Glock won the day because of the bean counters, not because of technical superiority. The rest is clever marketing, boosted by "All LE Use Glocks, They Know Better, And So Do You".
If you remove all stickers and brand names, and give an uninitiated a dozen of different handguns to try, asking them to choose the one that best fits their hand, that points most instinctively, that has the best trigger, that is the most accurate, they won't pick a Glock.
Not saying that they're bad (they're definitely not, they do get the job done), only that all the hullabaloo has much more to do with perceived image, than real "feel-in-the-hand".
That was an excellent analysis.
I hear this a lot but, no matter how good you market something, or how great a price you sell it for, it will not stand the test of time if it can't get the job done and keep on working.
Look at all the guns that manufactures have put out over the years to compete with Glock. How many of those guns have stood the test of time?
Is there one gun out there that is the best gun for everyone? The answer is no.
Find what fits your needs the best and go with it.
From my post:
"Not saying that they're bad (they're definitely not, they do get the job done)"...
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