Glock modification - dumb idea or what do you think?

[Tilos]

Or try an HK LEM gun.

The LEM As a Street Trigger, by Darryl Bolke

http://pistol-training.com/archives/8549

Patrick E. Kelley shooting an HK P30 LEM

Thanks for posting, watched a few other vids too, on the same gun.
Like the "thumb on the hammer" while holstering feature too.
Could be "thumb on the hammer" during a draw too.

 

[Elkins45]

I’m not a Glock fan (although I do own a couple) nor do I want a light, short initial trigger pull on my carry gun. I learned to shoot with a DA revolver so I’m not bothered by the deliberate long trigger stroke. That’s why I’m usually carrying some variety of Kahr. It’s still a striker-fired gun but it doesn’t have what I think of as a striker trigger.

When I decided to switch to a double stack in the wintertime I settled on the CZ P-07 as a suitable substitute for what would undoubtedly have been a G19/G23 if I were to carry a Glock. Having my thumb on the hammer as I holster it gives me a pretty good feeling about the continued continuity of my femoral artery.

To the OP: either get a different holster or get a different gun. You can glue a horn on a pony but that won’t make it a unicorn. If you want to add a safety device to your Glock then the Striker Control Device is easy and useful, and doesn’t require potentially ruining the one part that is legally the “gun.”

 

[bdickens]

Some are negligent discharges. Some are accidental. Lets not not lump everything into the same category in order to justify the lack of a manual safety.

Barring an actual mechanical defect, whether from poor design, improper service or wear, all unintentional discharges are negligent.

The fact that "proper" holsters, meaning "special" holsters are required is an admission that a manual safety prevents both negligent and accidental discharges from holstering.

A proper holster really is nothing more than one which is designed for the handgun in question, that stays open, has nothing that can get tangled with the trigger and that completely covers the trigger guard when the gun is fully inserted.

Such a holster is also recommended for pistols that DO have a manual safety.

What prevents negligent discharges is rule #3. Keep your damn finger off the trigger when you're not shooting.

Claiming that careful handling completely negates the need for a manual safety is like claiming that careful driving completely negates the need for seat belts.

That is not a valid comparison. While driving, there are a whole lot of other cars, driven by a whole lot of other people, moving in different directions, doing different things, none of which you have any control over whatsoever.

Holstering a handgun involves ONE person [you] and ONE handgun [yours], both of which you should be maintaining complete control over at all times.

 

[bdickens]

It is perfectly OK to not like Glocks and similar pistols that do not have manual safeties. It is perfectly OK to only be comfortable with pistols that have them.

But claiming that Glocks and the like are dangerous is simply not borne out by the facts. Plenty of "accidental" discharges happen to people who are playing with their manually safetied pistols too.

Ultimately YOU have to be comfortable with whatever YOU decide to carry. If that means a manual safety, then so be it. I have nothing against that. But don't use your own prejudices to try to claim someone else is a disaster waiting to happen because he makes a different choice.

The primary safety with ANY firearm is between your ears. Not a mechanical device which may fail sometime.

 

[JohnKSa]

How many accidental discharges occur from a long and heavy double action trigger pulls of 8+ pounds.

Here's a video of a female police officer discharging a Beretta 92 using the DA trigger pull. The hammer isn't back and her finger position indicates that the trigger is fully forward.



That would definitely be a long, heavy DA trigger with a pull of 8+ pounds. Stock pull is around 11lbs, and even with the lighter "D" spring it's still well over 8lbs. The video clearly showed that she did not intend to pull the trigger.

Given that the most common cause of unintentional discharges (by far) is intentionally pulling the trigger, it should be pretty clear that the trigger type isn't a big factor in most unintended discharges. If the user wants to pull the trigger, they will simply disable any manual safeties that prevent it and if the trigger is long and heavy, they will just apply the force and pull required.

Looking at the linked poll shows pretty clearly that the weak link is usually the user and only rarely the gun.

You do know that ALL of the safety mechanisms in a Glock are disabled as soon as anything presses lightly on that finger dingus, right?

That is not correct.

Depressing the trigger safety disables ONLY the trigger safety. The firing pin safety and the ramp safety remain active (in safe) until the trigger movement actually begins--the trigger & trigger bar actually have to move for those safeties to be disabled. Trigger movement disables the firing pin safety and then the ramp safety, probably in that order.

It is true that actually pulling the trigger (moving the trigger and trigger bar back significantly) will disable all the safeties, but depressing only the trigger safety without moving the trigger itself disables only the trigger safety.

The internal safeties only prevent an accidental discharge if the gun is dropped.

They will prevent an accidental discharge from a drop, and it would even be accurate to say that's their main purpose, but it's not the only one.

They will also prevent an accidental discharge from some trigger snags because of the way the trigger/trigger safety is designed. It's not a sure thing for preventing trigger snags, but it actually works pretty well. I tested this using a Glock with a chambered dummy round and a magazine weighted with dummy rounds by throwing it into the air over a padded surface and catching it with a wooden dowel through the trigger guard. I was never able to get the mechanism to "fire" because after the initial contact with the trigger, the dowel tended to ride up the trigger to the portion where the safety could not be disabled before it could apply enough pressure to work the mechanism.

The internal safeties will also prevent a discharge in the event of parts breakage, defective parts, or inadvisable modifications. For example, if the "sear" breaks, or is modified so that engagement is too low and the striker is released, the firing pin safety will prevent the gun from firing.

 

[ilbob]

I am a fan of manual safeties on holstered firearms but I don't think I'm a fan enough to add 1 to a stock firearm. Just buy a gun with a safety that comes that way if you feel you need a manual safety.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I think 3 pages is long enough to have beaten this subject...so I'm putting it to bed