Glocks and SIG's - your recommendations and why.

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Starting out, let me say I've never shot a mid or full size Sig. The only big Sig (a P220ST) that I've handled felt great but felt noticably heavier to me than my Beretta 96 Brigadier.

I have owned a Glock M26 in the past and only traded it off because I got an opportunity for another Beretta.

I tell my friends that the Glocks are like Chevy police cars. Absolutely and perfectly functional in a completely utlilitarian way. If a Glock fits your hand and shooting style and you have found the caliber you like the best, you will never find yourself wishing you had something else because of function. You may wish for a more stylish or higher performance rig or one that offers a lot more in the way of customizing to your tastes, but you wouldn't need it for basic operations.

That being said, the manual of arms for a Glock pistol still leaves me wondering. I know old Gaston Glock vehemently opposes a positve safety for his pistols and frankly, that costs him a part of the LE market place. The other thing that still grinds my gears is the requirement to pull the trigger prior to field stripping the gun. On a gun without a positive safety, this just seems ludicrous to me.

I owned a Glock and shot it fairly well IMO. I wouldn't hesitate to own another, I just am not looking for one.
 
I like SIG's more than I like Glocks , mostly as a matter of aesthetics but I also tend to shoot the SIG's quite a bit better . If a Glock happens to fit your hand better than a SIG or if you happen to prefer its trigger or you shoot it better , then it's probably the pistol for you . I'm down to 3 SIG's : an SP2340 in .357 , a P220ST and an alloy P230 and could be perfectly happy if they were the only pistols I owned . The Pro has been one of the biggest surprises I've ever had ; it shoots somewhat better than my 225 did , better than the 220 and far better than my G17 . It's taken a while for people to realize it , but it's a very good pistol and is IMO the best deal in SIG's range by far . Glocks are fine pistols and to be honest , there isn't enough of a real world difference between them to say one make is truly better than the other I don't think ,so it comes down to which one I like the feel of in my hand and the look of when I'm cleaning it .
 
alduro ,

I currently have an early 4013TSW. It's a great pistol. I think you'll like the 4043. I'm looking into the 4040PD with the Scandium frame.

I've seen photos of frame wear on S&W alloy frames. I guess it's not uncommon, but I haven't had any issues with anything I've owned. I try to keep my stuff lubed (er - somehow that doesn't sound right).
 
I have owned several Glocks (G26, G19, G30, G32, G35, G36)

And one Sig P239 in .357

I prefer Glocks to ANY da/sa weapon...so I am definitely biased

NOTE: I prefer straight SA to safe action!

If I own another Sig, it will likely be one of the new DAK models
 
OK, here's what I have:

Glock Fullsize 17, 22, 20, 37
Glock Compact: 19, 23, 32, 30
Glock Subcompact: 26

Sig Fullsize: None
Sig Compact: 229, SigPro
Sig Subcompact: 239

I've never regularly carried a Sig. I prefer Glocks because: 1 - I prefer a consistant trigger pull shot to shot, 2 - recoil seems to be different (I find that the bore axis is lower in Glocks), 3 - more compact and, therefore, easier to conceal, 4 - Glocks have the advantage capacity-wise over the Sig. My favorite Sig, BTW, is my SigPro. :what:
 
Spackler....thanks for the heads up. The 4040 PD looks awsome. A little pricey for a Christmas purchase though. :)
 
I have a Sig 228 and a glock 19, both are excellent guns. You can't go wrong with either pistol. Both carry well and are just small enough not to be a pain in the side. I use Blade Tech IWB holsters those are my choice. Shoot both guns and see which you like best. If you want a forty then the 229 and the 23 are great. Two great companies with great pistols. I also own a Walther P-99 which is also a great pistol that you may want to check. Good luck let us know which gun you picked.
 
G'day P95Carry, and et al.,

This has been an interesting thread to follow. After having a go at it I've got a few items to share for your consideration. I considered purchasing a SIG recently. I was not sure of just which model I was particularly interested in, but I began to research a potential purchase. Several good friends that I shoot regularly with have allowed me to try their SIG pistols out through several courses of fire. No question in my mind both SIGs and Glocks are fine pistols, regardless of model or caliber. I did not find any significant difference in reliability, quality, or accuracy [all comparison ranges were only taken out to 50 yds].

What I've found through this learning process is the following:

The Glocks had the price advantage over the SIGs. Glocks were generally less when comparing new in the box pistols at all the gun stores that I've checked. Similarly most accessories were less expensive for the Glocks. Also more available too.

The other principle advantage that I found with the Glocks is the detailed maintenance. Field stripping the uppers on either the Glock or the SIGs is easy. Not much of a significant difference in just simple field stripping and cleaning.

Since I tend to shoot several matches a month along with practices in between. My number of launched rounds annually can be considered higher than that of some folks. Due to those numbers of rounds launched I also service my pistols more than just at a field strip level. Glocks with their 34 some odd pieces are simple to detail strip, clean, service (if needed), and reassemble in short order.

Compare that to other pistol patterns for detailed disassembly. I had very good friend loan me several of his armorers videos for the various SIG patterns. Every thing is engineered reasonably well. There are just a lot of little parts (pins, springs, etc.) to manage. Just something else to think about.

You may not shoot enough for this point to be significant. Also not all folks care to service their weapons to this level. Hey, that is why there are gunsmiths! However, you posed the question on what others thought about the two brands, so there you have my $0.02 worth of info. Happy Holidays to all! Best of luck in your purchase. Heck, buy them all and let us know which one you like best! Cheers!
 
Southpaw - I really think you are short on Glocks! :D

cocojo - I have the SW99 (near twin to your Walther) - and am finding I am growing to like it - tho ergonomics re mag release and decocker postition are taking a while to familiarize with ... great feel tho and good shooter.

Shootin4fun ... thanks too for you input - looks like you have been going thru my sorta process! I take your point re ''internals'' on SIG's and agree, as most Glock guys at the club say - tearing them down and is a cinch.

Time will tell - and I am still deliberating but - this thread has been of immense value, so again thx to all. I shall in due course decide, part ways into next year I expect - and of course, if I finish up with something new - will shout loud!! :)
 
Might I suggest a Glock 20 in 10mm. Then you can swap in a .40, 9X25, or .357 Sig barrel and keep on shooting. Four handguns in one package.

But back to the Sig vs Glock question. I've had two P228's over the years. Both shot and handled well. I was really "proud" to own such a beautifully crafted piece. But then I stepped up to 10mm and bought a G20 and G29. I couldn't afford to keep the Sigs so out they went. I've found that I like the way Glocks point better and the 10mm just really floats my boat. But I have nothing but good to say about the Sig...it's just that I felt I had to work a little harder to keep it happy. The Glock, on the other hand, is more like a true friend who will always be there for you no matter how you treat them.
 
I like idea of 10mm but - have thought unless I reload that is gonna be spendy on ammo ... and I don't want more cals! See your point re barrels and versatility - still thinking all this over!
 
Nobody has mentioned it yet, but the P220 is actually about an ounce lighter than the 229, not that I notice it.

My p229 in 357sig is scarily accurate. It's my daily carry tool, but we'll see how I come to love this 220 I picked up and see if there's any sibling rivalry for carrying it.

I don't know much about Glocks...but I know what I like.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
Always wanted a Sig. Handled it alongside the H&K USPC back and forth when I couldn't decide which. The H&K simply pointed better for me. YMMV. There are also people that swear H&K is simply the best .45 made, as many as there are the diehard Sig fans, so I knew either would be a good choice. Only Glock I own is a 26, and I wouldn't be without it. There are other Glocks I would own, I just haven't bought them yet. Next may be a 10, probably a 29.
 
If the Glock 21 really does fit your hand I think the 19 will prove a pleasant suprise. Having shot most of what you are looking at I would recommend checking out the SIG 229 DAK a reduced trigger pull double action only model. The trigger pull is suprising, very nice. Though I personally prefer the Glock 19, if it came down to a choice between any model SIG and the BHP I would have to go with the Browning.

Of course you really need to get one of each... :evil:
 
I view my Glock as a tool. It has few parts and is as tough as nails, with a superior finish. Detail stripping a SIG is an ordeal--ever taken the small parts out of the slide? I can do that in my Glock in less than 30 seconds. Whenever I would take my SIGs apart, I was left with a large pile of complexity--not so in the Glock.

The Glock's low bore axis, consistent (and easily modified) trigger pull makes for fast, accurate shooting. Just ask David Sevigney. That's why I also enjoy 1911s.

I've gone back and forth between the two, and I prefer Glock.
 
I take the point on Glocks but - chatted tonight at a bowling pin shoot - with one of the IDPA regulars. He uses a 226 and is more than pleased. He has shot Glock but finds his SIG excellent, for him.

I am still vacillating but drawn ever more to a 226.

Having said that - I was all but impressed re the Glock 21 (think that's right) - a solid .45 acp with - I am told ... a capacity of 13+1 ... awesome in the extreme.!!
 
Greetings,

I think most things on the 2 brands have been covered. One thing I'd like to ad. As someone mentioned, the earlier 226's (pre 96 I believe) use a folded metal slide vs. the newer ones with the forged stainless steel slide. I personally prefer the older style. The gun just seems to be smoother and tighter. The newer 226's that I've seen have way more slop in the slide to frame fit. Maybe these are the exception to the rule.. just my experience. Myself I have a '95 226 and 225 in the Sigs, and a G19 from the Glocks ( had a G22 but didn't like the recoil signature). Going along the same lines as others have mentioned, I find the Glock trigger takes more effort to learn, but once learned is a fast shooting weapon. Others have mentioned the low bore axis of the Glock vs. the high bore axis of the Sig. My observations on the bore axis thing, the Glock tends to recoil harder in any given caliber vs. a similar sized gun by another brand, ie G19 vs. 228. The upside is that, once you get used to the recoil, repeat shots are easier to make. My shooting buddy is a Sigaholic. He has most of the line of Sigs and some twice. His favorite is also the pre '96 226 and the 220. Have to say the 220 is a beautiful gun to shoot. I've never shot the G21 so can't make a fair comparison. Although, I personaly favor the HK USP 45F for a .45. Sorry for any redunancies, but hope this adds to your info base.
 
P95Carry,

Go with your gut because if you don't you'll end up trading at the local shop, losing money and getting a P226 anyway. :)

Contact www.ordnanceoutsellers.com Their prices are really hard to beat and their service is awesome.
 
Thx Rauchman ... all input is valuable. Thing here is you and the other guys have usefully given opinion based on both ownership and shooting - it's hard to beat that! :)

I keep seeing this all developing into the ''need'' (Haha!) ...... for probably around two of each and just ''force'' myself to get to grips with the Glock trigger. Only one downside ..... this could soak up around $2.5k ... ouch. :p

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Teco - thx for that link ... in fact I would like to put this thru my local FFL - it's time he had another sale from me. He would actually probably get real close to best price.

The question then might be ... so what do I get after the 226 ??! LOL. :p
 
P95,

You may want to consider going used. My 226 and G19 are both used and have never given me any problems. I understand CDNN has some great deals on the 226 and I would think various Glocks as well. IIRC, the 226's were going for under $400.00 vs. a new one for somewhere way over $600.00. They also have some great prices on mags.
 
Yeah - had forgotten to mention - that option is also in mind ... the CDNN route.

This is still ''thinking time'' so - doubt I'll do anything quite yet but all the good info has gotten me ''fidgety'' I have to say! :) Our IDPA starts April - so want something set up before then.
 
Glock is the new paradigm in handgun design. Every handgun manufacture has attempted to copy the polymer design that they popularized (Glock did not invent it).

1911s and Glocks dominate IDPA, USPSA, IPSC and shooting schools--not 1911s and SIGs.

SIGs are/have:
-heavier
-larger
-fatter
-smaller capacity
-more complex
-higher bore axis
-inconsistent trigger pull
-inferior finish
-more expensive
-grip screws that will loosen
-hammers to snag on
-bulging decocker on the left grip
-require more maintenance and lubrication
-more rare on the hips of comeptitors, police and civilians with each passing year.

Their SIG pro polymer line is not profitable, and unless they field another within the next few years, I fear the company will be downsized severly. Profit margins are slim for their conventional machined frame pistols.
 
I love going to the range & shooting my Sig 220. It's an accurate, well made weapon. My favorite pistol to shoot. And as I go to and fro on those range days I don't even notice my G27 riding in the Kramer IWB because it rides there every day. It's an accurate, well made weapon. My favorite pistol to carry. The only decision you have is which brand to buy first! Have a shoot off with a couple of different models from both companies and one pistol will beckon you to take her home. Be a gentleman and do so! ;)
 
-more rare on the hips of comeptitors, police and civilians with each passing year.
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Glock won the HS contract? Gues again, it was split between SIG and HK. :uhoh: Glock won the single largest contract for a sidearm in European history? No, it was SIG that beat all competitors for the French Gendarme's sidearm, a contract worth millions.

SIG can barely keep up with demand for DAK. If you haven't tried it give it a go. It puts Glock's Safe-Action to shame. ;)

Like it or not Glock's heyday as the LE pistol is starting to wane because of a lack of innovation. While HK came up with LEM and SIG with DAK Glock hasn't done anything but added different models that operate on the exact same principle. That worked when Glock was the only game in town if you wanted polymer or a consistent pull. DAO never got traction but LEM and DAK are cutting into Glock's LE market big time.

If you like Glocks buy more and rest knowing that they're reliable and durable but they aren't the end all and be all of sidearm design.
 
Tecolote--where is it suggested that Glock won the HS contract?

Someone also commented about my criticism of the SIG's girth and weight. They noted that these attributes reduced recoil. While I concur that these attributes reduce recoil--they are hardly a selling point.

SIG: the heavier, wider, more complex, lower capacity, higher maintenance, inconsistent trigger pull, higher bore axis, nontennifered alternative to Glock--all for an attractively higher price!
 
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