Good business etiquette: the lack of which can be costly to smiths!

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VaughnT

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While it is not my nature to complain in an open forum such as this, I feel it is my responsibility to remind the professionals herein that it is the little things that will make you a successful business.

I recently sent my weapon off to a very big house that has a reputation for top-shelf work. All I needed was for them to install a fixed rear sight to replace the adjustable sight that kept breaking. The adj sight has a proprietary slide-cut that no other sight maker has come out with a fitting product, so you kinda don't have a choice.

This all started out with the company sending me a rear sight, but upon trying to install it, I found that it sat approximately .030" below the top of the slide and was hanging over the rear face of the slide by approx .110". This just doesn't look good, certainly not professional, and I decided to send the whole weapon to their shop so they could see the problem and install a sight that fit better.

I enclosed a letter with the pistol, clearly stating the problem I encountered, and asked them to find a solution. I also asked them to do some additional cosmetic work and was even thinking about some "while you have it" stuff that would have made a really nice bill for my credit card!

Well, from day one I noted that their customer service was lacking some little things. In their emails, they never addressed me by name or offered any kind of greeting. There was no closing name to the block letter, and even in phone calls, they didn't feel it was important to identify themselves. To this day, I couldn't tell you a single name of any of the employees I spoke with. That's not very professional, and I won't even mention the bad spelling and grammar usage in a professional correspondence.

They stated that the rear sight was shooting about 4" high and would I mind them installing a taller front sight to bring the POI/POA in line? Heck no. You've got a green light for something like that, and I don't mind.

Anyhow, I get a message to call them to settle the bill. I do so and ask if the weapon is looking good, did the rear sight work out? "Oh, yea, she's real purty."

Fine, I'm trusting this house as their reputation for custom work is superb and raved about in mags and forums such as this. When my pistol arrives, I see right off that the didn't do anything about the sight sitting low in the slide. A minute with my caliper shows that it's sitting .025" below the top of the slide, making for a very noticeable step down.

Here's the question: This is obviously a custom pistol so why would you think that such an installation would suit me? Why wouldn't you contact me to see if I would be happy with said installation or offer me some solutions to the problem (like flattening and serrating the top)? When I asked you if the gun was looking good, why would you think that this is good looking? And, most importantly, did you release this pistol because it bore the name of another custom maker and not yours? Is this the type of work you would release if it was your name on the receiver?

What really irks me is that there was no real communication from this maker. I told them clearly that I didn't want the sight sitting BELOW the top of the slide, and I feel that they should have milled a one-off sight to correct the cosmetic problem caused by their design. I realize it might be costly, but how much are they losing by not getting my future business?

The biggest downside to this whole thing is that the weapon has to be retired from public use. I cannot, in good faith, disparage the work of the original smith by displaying the shoddy sight installation. Even if I explain the situation, people will forget the details down the road and remember only that this guy's name is on a gun with a horribly installed rear sight.

Bottom line: Pay attention to details. How you speak to a customer, especially in writing, reflects on your level of professionalism and what you think of your customers. Address them by name, or simply call them 'Sir', and sign your name at the end of every correspondence. If you talk to them on the phone, identify yourself and try show that you appreciate their calling your business instead of the other guy.


Thanks for listening. It's good to get this stuff off my chest.


Oh, and, yes, I did send them an email stating my displeasure with their work. To date, I have not received any response.
 
Without pictures or brand names it is difficult to visualize exactly what you now have, nor why you went to somebody else to change the sight. But I can tell you one thing for sure; I would not "retire the gun from public use" to protect the original gunsmith's reputation. I would contact the original 'smith, explain my concern for his image, and ask him for ideas for cosmetic salvage. As you said, an .025" serrated or matted flat down the top of the slide would look like it had all been done on purpose. I have seen pictures of those allowed to run out behind the muzzle so as to not upset the conformation of the *front* sight installation. I assume you have considerable money in this gun and I would go to some length to get full use out of it.
 
Mr. Watson, I don't want to post names on the open forum, but I will say that you would be well advised to not believe a company when they tell you their new adjustable sight is built for extreme duty. :)

As for contacting the original smith, I did. His reply was that he's so tied up with other orders that just can't work mine in right now. I can respect that as I wouldn't want my custom pistol being postponed even further because of a small project. Where would it stop?

Having been raised in a family of craftsmen, I can't imagine letting something like this out of my shop. I guess, though, that some folks are raised different.

I'm definitely liking the idea of flattening the slide's top. Do you recall the name of the smith that was bringing his serrations to an arrowhead point directly behind the front sight? I saw a pic of it somewhere on the net, but now that I need it, it's gone from my head.

Also, the reason that I went to the OEM sightmaker was because I wanted to get this weapon back into action as soon as possible. They had a great reputation and might have even got my Browning Hi Power contract. What I would really like to do is find a smith that has the time to mill me a whole new sight that resembles the XS express sight or the Heinie Slant Pro, but fits the slide cut for this streamlined, even-the-Marines-are-using-it sight. One can wish...



Just got an unsolicited email from the original smith. He didn't like the idea of the gun sitting in a drawer for the rest of eternity and has asked that I send it his way so he can try to find a solution. The last email I had from him was about a week ago when he told me how tied up he was with other orders. You've got to love a craftsman that isn't happy to see his work messed with! The gun will be enroute to Y/B in AZ by the end of the day. :D
 
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I feel your pain. I took a brand new pistol to a local smith for some work and was quoted 2-4 weeks when I dropped it off. From that point, I waited 6 weeks before contacting the smith regarding status. I called once or twice a week beginning at that point, and did so for the next 4 months. Never was a call returned and when I dropped by his shop to check status, he was rarely there.

After 51/2 months I got tired of the crap and went to pick up my pistol. When I returned home, I discovered that my brand new pistol had some dings and scratches, that it had been fired (it was spotless when I took it in), and that someone had improperly inserted the slide stop, which then galled the bottom of the slide when they fired it. There was also a semi-circular gouge under the frame where they had obviously used a screwdriver to pry out the slide stop.

Not a good experience.
 
Vaughn,

That is just great. I am getting to think Mr Y. might be a mailorder gunsmith I could trust after having been shabbily treated by several.

I crashed my browser whilst writing to say I did not recall who did the slide top treatment, probably an Ichirio Nagata centerfold somewhere in the stack. And digging around to find mention of somebody I thought would fool with it. But you have the better solution now.
 
KMK, I had a similar local smith experience and shipped my Colt to Y in AZ for some major reconstructive surgery. That's when I learned just how good a smith and businessman he is.

Jim, don't fear for the quality if you deal with Y in AZ. His work on the Government model is near legendary and he's one of only three or four to so highly regarded for his works on the BHP. In fact, when people ask for a BHP smith Y's name is at the top of everyone's list. That says a lot.

Anyhow, I'm off to mail my gun. I'll let you know more about what will be done with it when Y gets a chance to look it over.
 
Hey guys,

If you're posting complaints I can understand why you're avoiding using full names -- buy why wouldn't you want to give out the name of the good guy in the above stories?

pax
 
might be a mailorder gunsmith I could trust after having been shabbily treated by several.
I know a gunsmith you can trust: Bob Hunter of Hunter Customs. He hangs out on the 1911 Forum. Built a gun for me, does beautiful work.

I have noticed there are some gunsmiths in this world that seem to think that it enhances their "mystique" if they act really arrogant and abusive to their customers..... like it will make us think they must be geniuses if they can get away with acting like that. I will also refrain from printing names, since we all probably know who they are.
 
To be honest, Pax, I was reallyjust having fun talking in code. :D Now, if I could just say all that in Navajo, I'd be set!

Who's the good guy in this story? None other than the legendary Ted Yost of Tempe, AZ. www.yost-bonitz.com

I'm thinking about sending him my BHP just as soon as I buy another one to keep around. And I need a 1911 with a light rail, because I don't have one and they seem to be required by some law. And I still don't have a retro 1911 with the cool rollmarks.

Anyone notice how expensive this hobby is?
 
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