Got my Brady Campaign letter today....

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Sorry to hijack the thread but this is something I've always wondered. Can you get into legal trouble by filling prepaid envelopes with stuff and sending it back? Was thinking of filling my credit card offers with coupon advertisements and sending it to them.

It is perfectly legal to send them back all of the mail they sent you. You can also answer it. Use 2 more sheets of paper write big & tell them thanks for the offer but dont need it. Dont sign anything.

They will stop sending you stuff. I have done it.

Would be glad to do it for Sarah too.:neener:
 
I've stuffed all the junk flyers into a lot of the prepaid envelopes that I get and it's been a couple of months since I've received any. All of the stuff that comes with the envelope goes right back with that weeks' junk flyers. I'll try a brick next time.
 
Now what's the best use of the pre-paid envelope?

I'm thinking about loading it up with washers. < 16 oz is allowed by the USPS on 1st class PP right?

There are some dairy cattle not far from where I live. I'm sure I could carefully pack said envelope with 15 ounces of bull$#!t.
 
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send em a fully expanded spent hollow point bullet and a note asking them if they could find out which one of the 25,000 gun deaths it came from...


NO! Not a good one at all. They will most likely mistake it as a THREAT, and then they will use it as evidence saying how we gunnies "really are sickos."

DON'T DO IT, HEAR ME? DON'T DO IT AT ALL.

Send them an invitation to the NRA Exposition at Louisville. That will really piss em' off.
 
I got a green sheet in mine that I was supposed to sign and return...some nonsensical message to my congress-people.

So I wrote a note on the back of it, that went something like:

"Since I am in the militia and it's necessary to the security of our nation, my state, and community, I think I know what I will spend some of my tax return on (inserted cut-out picture of an AK rifle). I will also send some to the NRA, who are fighting FOR my freedoms instead of against them.

Your efforts to ban sells more guns than you will ever know."
 
Truth in Advertising

"Did anyone else get the email from them about their "thousands" of demonstrators... with pictures of a very sparse crowd in Washington?"

I did. That was pretty funny. In St. Paul, MN (saw the article here on THR), they couldn't even get 32 people to lie on the ground for them. They had to settle for 31. :D

They did manage to get 32 people to lie in front of the Supreme Court for 3 minutes, claiming that's how long it takes to buy a gun at an "unregulated gunshow", what ever the hell that is. Oh that's right. It's another lie. I forgot.
 
Take the High Road

Organizations usually have contract companies handle their direct mail. The odds are fair that the person opening the mail (and expecting to find a check) is NOT an anti or a nutcase.

Take the high road - copy the armed citizen page from American Rifleman or print one of the many posts concerning how guns save lives.

I keep a stack of such articles handy and use them with all of the "postage paid" reply envelopes from AARP or others like them. I even enclose one with my checks when paying my bills.

You never know who will be opening the mail or what impact you might have and it costs you nothing but the effort.

John
Charlotte, NC
 
Just make sure you send the prepaid envelope back to insure it costs them money. If you have to include something, just write a note that says, "$$$ Cha-Ching $$$" or "Thank you for supporting the USPS".
 
I feel dirty...

Don't. In their emails, they show more of their true colors. They also beg for money a lot. They use events like VA Tech as fundraisers. Go to their website. www.bradycampaign.org. On the home page they have the 'Candle Picture', directly above "Click Here To Donate Now!" There are usually a few "Click Here's" in their emails. Lots of ammunition to use against them.

The downside is that now, you are counted as one of their "150, 000 online supporters". :D

It's OK. The "Freedom Dirt" washes off.
 
Ok, here's what the USPS just told me. Mass mailings using a permit number do have to pay the return postage on oversize mail in the envelope, unless the customer sets an upper limit on the postage to be paid. If the antis return envelope weighs more than it should or bulges too much they can automatically reject it without paying any postage on it.

So, the question is how much is enough to put in the envelope to cost them extra and how much is too much so that it hits their limit and rejects. We can reasonably assume that they've got good enough mailing consultants that they've set an upper bound (taping the envelope to a brick won't work). Stuffing a roll of toilet paper in it to make it bulge and cost more may not work either. Anyone know how to find out what the limits are for these folks so we can exploit that info?
 
It's almost certainly that 3.5 oz limit unless the mailer has specified something different.

If you are sending out solicitations, you expect back
  • an envelope
  • a card with info
  • maybe a check

But the 'tape the card to a brick' won't work, because that's not what the card/envelope is coded for - it isn't supposed to be a merchandise return label or any other kind of package label. USPS is supposed to discard those.

And since the actual client of the mailings company will never see the contents - they'll have their checks deposited and their info card data keyed in and sent electronically - there's not a lot of value to sending much else to them.
 
Now that we actually have information that tells us there are limits on what we can reasonably do we can discuss what will actually cost them the most and still get through the screening system.

So, no more fantasy, let's get down to work.

If the size of the envelope is outside normal parameters, but the weight is within their screening limits, it might get through to them with additional postage fees incurred. Try folding the materials in such a way they make the envelope bulkier. Put a toilet roll tube inside and tape the envelope shut. That way it will approximate the weight while changing the dimensions. That may get through and will incur size penalties.

If the weight of the envelope is just above 3.5 oz. it may get through and cost them a bit more.

Thousands of off size or off weight envelopes add to their costs.

The problem is we won't know if we're "getting through" to them unless we can find someone sympathetic to our position in the USPS or the office that receives them.
 
This reminds me of my favorite way to handle telemarketers. Our phone is my wife's business phone so we can't sign up for "do not call." We get lots of calls asking to speak to the owner. I say Oh yeah, she'll be right with you. Then leave them on hold and after awhile pick up and say - she's coming hold on. If they hold long enough I say - how does it feel to have YOUR time wasted - and hang up. I'm sure it has cut the number of calls we get. The only way to discourage them is to waste their time which costs them money.
 
Let's consider what the budget for the fund raising campaign might be.

Here's a reasonable article:
What kind of response rates do your direct mail fundraising letters generate?

That’s the most common question I’m asked by potential clients. And it’s a good question, since non-profit organizations need the highest response rates they can get in today’s competitive environment. Direct mail is an expensive way to raise funds if your response rates are low and your average gift is small.

So what’s an acceptable response rate? That depends on the kind of mailing we’re talking about.

Acquisition mailings (designed to acquire new donors) typically generate low response rates. An acceptable response rate with an acquisition mailing is somewhere between 0.5 percent and 2.5 percent. A response rate of only half of one percent might not sound adequate to you, but it’s acceptable if your costs are low or your average gift is high.

Remember that generating a high response rate in an acquisition mailing is more important than receiving a high average gift, since the whole point of an acquisition mailing is to acquire donors. The higher your response rate, the more donors you acquire. And the more donors you acquire, the more donors you can appeal to in coming months, leading to higher revenue over time.

Renewal mailings (designed to obtain gifts from existing donors) typically generate higher response rates. An acceptable response rate with a renewal mailing is somewhere between 5 percent and 35 percent. Response rates for renewal mailings are higher than rates for acquisition mailings because the recipients already know you, trust you and have given to you before.
Suppose they expect that 2.5% response rate, and budget for about that many returned pieces of mail.

They're already spending first class postage, plus somewhere between 1 cent and 8 cents per piece to send the original solicitation, at 40 times their expected return cost.

BRM rates are 38 cents for the first ounce, 17 cents for the second, plus that 1 to 8 cents.

So let's guess a fraction of an ounce, for 38 cents postage, plus 1 cent per letter fee, and it costs them a nickel to produce every one of 10,000 pieces in a mailing. 44 cents * 10K = $4400. They expect 2.5% return -- 250, for another 110 dollars. Suppose they budget that $4610 plus $390 for contingencies (about 8.5%). We would need 889 extra responses to run them over their budget by $1 - exclusive of any actual donations they receive to offset costs. (In this guesstimate, 250 $20 donations is break-even.)

Just send the card or envelope back - that's the maximum cost for them relative to the minimum effort for us. It doesn't violate any laws, doesn't require finding innocuous materials to include, doesn't need any plotting or pre-planning, and doesn't waste your time.

ETA: Of course, if this is entertainment for you, we have to add in that benefit to the process of making these campaigns more expensive for the solicitors. Far be it from me to discourage anyone's hobby!
 
Ah, Yellowfin, read up thread - USPS will discard those: using the business reply mail as a label is an abuse, and they don't have to deliver it, and the BRM licensee can refuse it.
 
I'm not sure if I want to open this can of worms, but is this really High Road? Believe me, I'm usually the first person to jump on something like this, but I started thinking about it a little harder than usual this time. The Brady Campaign is in the dictionary under petty. Nothing is beneath them in their quest to lay the blame for all of society's woes on firearms. And do you know what? If I reverse the situation, and imagine a scenario where the BC is trying to get their supporters to bankrupt the NRA through the mail, it doesn't stretch my imagination at all. It just seems to fit them. Now, as much as I like the idea of costing them their hard-mooched cash, I do not want to engage in any activity that makes me or any of my freedom-loving brothers and sisters resemble the other camp.

Mind you, I am not bashing or accusing anyone here of wrongdoing; I'm just trying to put some serious thought towards this event before granting it moral neutrality.
 
I understand the sentiment.

Out best bet is to give them what they want (returned envelopes), but more of them than they budgeted for.

I fear the problem is that when dealing with organizations like Brady their large contributors can easily absorb the additional cost.
 
yes,

but do it anyway, nickel and dime George Soros to death.

I hereby promise to send back any mailings I get from AARP, the Brady Bunch or any other hounds begging for cash.... except the NRA of course.
 
Anyone else here against signing up for mailing/emails from these dolts? It gives them numbers to use in their BS campaign.. we've got 1 million people supporting us!!! Not knowing that half of them are highroaders?
 
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