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Got Pulled over By 4 cops today while carting (CA)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by silverlance, Feb 3, 2007.

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  1. Delta608

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    If you have ever purchased a firearm in the U.S. or ammo using a credit card, the next time you get re-issued license plates there is a small decal placed on there, you can only see with special glasses...(only supplied to the POLICE) That is why, in case you were always wondering why the heck the DHSMV made you put on new plates when your old ones are still good...:cool:
     
  2. F4GIB

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    Another citizen learns to distrust and dislike the police.
    He'll pass that on to his friends, relatives and children.
    This is called "community policing."
     
  3. agd1953

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    I have yet to see a police officer put on dick Tracy glasses to check out my license plate. I hope this post is a joke and you are be fascias. Where I'm from four cop cars indicate a major felony going down. I work in a job were I daily access driver license records and I only see if someone had a CWP. Other than that, I shows nothing in regard to gun ownership. California is in it's current state because nobody accepts any accountability for anything they do. They vote in people to baby sit them so they can shirk their responsibilities as citizens. The "unable to spank your child" thing is insane and these children will grow up refusing to be accountable for their actions as well. You have created the mess you live in and I, unfortunately, feel no compassion for your states current plight. People are more concerned with getting a big screen TV than defending their rights anymore. Vote out these liberals and start taking on the responsibility that goes with living in a great country!!!
     
  4. 1BLINDREF

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    Thank God I live in PA

    After reading all of these posts I can't understand why anyone into guns and shooting would even consider living in CA :confused:

    Silver
    What would you consider as being treated like a criminal? It sounds to me like you were.
     
  5. Intune

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    Delta608-
    You owe me a monitor, keyboard & a fresh cup of java! :D BTW, possession of said glasses by non-LEO is a classII felony. Somebody look it up and get back to me... :evil:
     
  6. Delta608

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    Some jurisdictions have a special screen on thier watch that alerts them as well....:what: I cant believe I have crossed the blue line to make this public...Next week Ill give out the super secret web-site where all cops go to discuss ways of violating everyone rights, even my own......:p
     
  7. Delta608

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    Heck, I was begining to get worried !!!!! I'll buy, my treat !!!:D
     
  8. Intune

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    A REAL cup, not the ones with that tracking chip in them. :cool:
     
  9. MarinePride

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    Hearing about stuff like this happening in CA only confirms that I made the only choice I could make for the sake of my 2nd Amend. right. I put in for a job transfer to any state that I deemed was gun friendly and CCW shall issue. It's only a matter of time before people of like thought will be forced out or put in a smaller jar. It was just to easy to become a victim of the oppressive gun laws in CA. The whole state is going down the crapper at a fast rate and I'm glad to not be a part of it.

    Also, it seems that LEO's are being portrayed in a negative way by an over growing number of people these days. I believe there is something to that and not just a bunch of badge haters. It seems that the police are becoming more paramilitary these days. Rethink some scenarios you may encounter and how you will handle it. Learn your rights and stick to them. I cannot think of one positive experience I've ever had with any LEO, it either wasted my time or got me a ticket.
     
  10. EOD Guy

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    1. Night vision scopes are not banned in California. The only sniperscopes that are banned are infrared projectors. Any other are perfectly legal.

    2. Possession of armor piercing rifle ammunition is only illegal during commission of a felony. Armor peircing ammunition principally for use in handguns is illegal. Armor piercing ammuntion primarily designed for use in rifles is excluded from the definition.

    3. True, but some 10 round magazines are marked "LEO only". I have no idea why, but one of my Glock 26 10 round magazines is so marked. Yes, I'm positive it will only hold 10 rounds.

    4. Possession of a loaded magazine is only forbidden when engaged in criminal street gang activity or during the commission of a felony. There is no law forbidding UNLOADED magazines in a magazine well.

    5. It is perfectly legal to have ammunition in the same case as a firearm as long as the ammunition is not touching the firearm.

    The problem is that a lot of people believe that some, or all, of the above are illegal, including some law enforcement officers.

    Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is prudent.
     
  11. The Lone Haranguer

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    Sure glad I left California. I always knew that the physical description and serial number on every DROS form was gun registration, but I didn't know it reached that far (i.e., merely running someone's license plates). :rolleyes:
     
  12. AJAX22

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    1. Correct, the only scopes that are banned in CA are the active ones, My PVS3 and most other quality military ones are Passive.

    2. Yep.

    3. the markings on a magazine mean nothing, CA allows you to replace the magazine housings with any ones that you want, including the LEO mags made during the ban, I had three preban 30's that wore out, so the mag tubes were replaced with the cheapest ones I could find, which happened to be LEO marked. Its not a legal thing, its just something the manufacturer stamped on them during the ban.

    4&5. correct, the ammunition has to be 'attached therof' its legal to have a loaded magazine in the same container, so long as it is not physically attached to the firearm i.e. in the magwell, technically its legal to have a mini 14 on the passenger seat of your car with a loaded mag sitting on the dash, I wrote to the DOJ on the subject and they sent me a letter stating it was ok.
     
  13. John C

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    Razorburn;

    No, standards of decency vary all over the world, including LA. Silverlance's treatment is what law-abiding, tax-paying citizens get in LA. Criminals get proned out on the ground at gunpoint, and then taken to jail or the hospital, depending on what the suspect does next. I'm not defending it, I'm just breaking it down for you.

    -John
     
  14. silverlance

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    I will get back to eveyrone later regarding the law and the five items i mentioned later (with links to the penal code). The only one I won't touch is the ammo one, because it is so fraught with misleading wording.

    As for the loaded magazine and m14 thing, expect to go prone a lot as someone said, and expect to be making friends in hot places should you decide to go get your letter from the doj out from your glove box or, worse yet, wallet, should you get stopped.

    I will say that I do not dislike cops, but I do severely distrust them now. Mainly, this is because I don't understand the cop system - do they get kudos for putting away people for offenses? do they get a raise if they put a lot of people away and make lots of arrests? is it by magnitude, or by count? do they have quotas? etc., etc.

    since i don't know how they work, i don't know if anything they say to me is just to get me to let my guard down and tell them about the XXXX in my XXX which I just got XXX from XXX. etc.

    that kind of thing.

    as for the letter, it is real. they send one to me every time i buy a handgun. my buddies also get them too.

    pay special attention to the line about how He will prosecute me if my gun is recovered in a crime and i didn't do a dros. In other words, if my gun is stolen and the guy shoots somebody with it the same day before i got home to discover the burgulary, i should expect to be prosecuted.

    my distrust of cops is far more eclipsed by my distaste for politicians who vow to "clean up the streets" via sweeping memoradums that toss the proverbial grenade in the ghetto and let god sort em out. sounds great until you realize that nobody cares who gets popped, only that X amount of "criminals" are arrested more than last year's X amount, and that X amount of guns were siezed more than last year's X amount...e tc.

    as for voting...

    I do vote. If i could figure out how to vote several times like some unscrupulous politicians we will not mention, i might have more effect.

    i'd vote with my feet, but so far the only suggestion has been nevada. I plan to move in two years when my contract is up. i was going to stay for 10 becuase i was offered forgiveness of my student loans when i first signed up for this job, but it is 3.5 years now and they are still giving me the run around... i suspect that the money for loan payment is way little and the number of promises they have given out far exeeded it a long time ago.

    kev

    ps: and yes, this is all real. no joke. and yes, they can tell what yo uhave and what you've done by your license plate. at least here in CA they can.
     
  15. Kali Endgame

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    I just remebered that I didn't have plates on yet. New truck and all. I was respectful of the officer's authority and didn't get screwed. I didn't know that the plate #'s are linked to a system that has all that information. I'm going to be extra careful fom now on.
     
  16. Combat-wombat

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    Yeah, go ahead and joke about it- that doesn't change the fact that in California, law enforcement can tell if you're a firearms owner from your license plate.
     
  17. aguyindallas

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    "It was very nice of them to be friendly, and not treat me like a criminal just because I owned guns. They were also understanding enough not to ask me to open the trunk, as (even though everything I had in there was in legal shape) it is very easy to break the law regarding firearms in CA and they knew that if they saw anything "wrong" they would have to report it."



    Dude, SCREW THAT!!!! You were treated like a criminal. Tell me where on this planet 4 officers need to show up to a place where a guy ran a stop sign, pull you out of your car, set you on a wall, legs crossed while they search your car.

    If thats not treating you like a criminal, I don't know what is.....

    I know why I am so damn happy I left Kalifornistan to a free state.
     
  18. 22-rimfire

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    It never ceases to amaze me how otherwise law abiding people slip up and drive through a stop sign, speed, whatever..... get a ticket and actually thank the cop for messing up his life for a day. As mentioned, you were treated like a criminal. That is why all the police cars were there. Guess they figured you had a meth lab in your trunk.
     
  19. Intune

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    I've earned each and every ticket I've ever gotten & been cut some slack on others I could have received. I have never, ever been treated like the OP. My blood would have been boiling. Can you get thrown in jail for talkin' 'bout the dudes mama?
     
  20. Librarian

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    Please do look it up, but I'm sure you'll find EODguy and AJAX22 are correct. We beat this to death about once a month at Calguns.net.
     
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    They absolutely are and getting worse all the time. Way too
    people and WAY too many laws with too many abusing
    them on both sides.
     
  22. Delta608

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    Ok, I'll address the lowest common denominator on this thread..(most likely me, so this is to myself) The VAST majority 85% or higher (i will find you the cites) of felony arrests results from a "routine" traffic stop. Why you may ask..?? Every day there is a squad meeting held prior to shift, a lot of them in person, others held over the computer inside the car...Roll call is taken and the days/nights BOLOS are given out..Now, say your sister, nieghbor or wife or my sister, wife or neighbor was raped within the last eight hours..His description is given out via puter terminals to every car...In major cities you need that computer to keep track of all these these descrips for hundreds of suspects within the last 10 hours...With me soo far..??
    The computer in our car will give a probablility factor given enough information (I know garbage in, garbage out) of a suspect for a specific crime..The poor guy that just "rolled" through that stop sign got stopped and may have (he will never know) fit one of those descriptions...Now even for the most hardened cop hater/basher that frequents this board, I think would want his families rapist caught, I know I would...and please dont try to dish out and other type of crap...The gentlemans rights were not tramped on..(correct if I am wrong) and he was sent on his merry way..
    All drunks, and suspects will use the primary use to "get away", while the burglars, thieves, and smart drug dealers use the secondary roads to escape the vicinity of thier crimes and also to sell there wares..It is the traffic stop that results in thier arrests, very few on investigation alone....In smaller agencies thier admins want the patrol officers to do door checks at business AND make a certain amount of "contacts" through-out the night...I did not say "quota" I said "contact"..In larger cities, there is simply not enough time in the day.......:D
     
  23. outofbattery

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    I'm failing to see anything to get huffy about:you lied to the cop,got a simple ticket and they didn't bother to look at your guns.Nothing that happened was a very big deal at all:confused:
     
  24. g5reality

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    You were bushwacked

    Where were you pulled over? City street, busy highway, main thurofare, country road? Was it Day, night, Dawn Dusk? Perhaps you went to the Angeles Shooting Range and missed the stop sign by the stables? I took my Hunter Safety Class there and was told the cops wait for reason to catch unsuspecting range users on minor infractions.

    NEVER let a LEO in your vehicle. NEVER give permission for a search. They do have a right to inspect the inside of your vehicle without your permission as long as both feet are on the ground. ALWAYS stay in the vehicle with your hands on the wheel @ 10 and 2 so the approaching officer feels safe. ALWAYS respond with "Yes Sir", "No Sir" I've always found the greater respect I provide the officer the better I'm treated no matter what the circumstances.

    I'd certianly make a complaint on the stop to the watch commander and your local councilman/Woman. You were treated poorly in any instance...but...did you give them any reason? getting out of the car unless asked to is a "no-no".

    The only thing I'll give the LAPD officers is... in the last 30 days eight (8) of them have been shot at. I'd be a little nervous too if I were them.

    I know about keeping ammo separate from the firearm. I keep ammo in the bag separately. I NEVER have a loaded clip...and it's been my understanding a loaded clip is trouble, same as a loaded weapon. Lastly, I ALWAYS have an EMPTY magazine in all of my semi auto rifes & hand guns. I don't want unnecessary dirt or dust to get into the action.

    I'm considering becomming an LAPD reserve officer, if not for the reason of a CCW or professional courtesy when pulled over. Flash an LAPD ID to any officer and the'y just ask, " where are you stationed, and Have a good day, night ect." If you can't beat em' join em'.:) :eek: ;)
     
  25. Sistema1927

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    You allowed a search of your car after being pulled over for running a stop sign and felt that the cops were "nice" to you while treating you like a criminal? :confused:

    You need to move to a free state.
     
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