Great news for Rocky Mountain Reloading In-house Manufactured Jacketed Bullets

[LiveLife]

Starting a new thread to not hijack an existing one - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/montana-gold-bullets.854209/page-2#post-11194620

Anticipate a possible "life changing" announcement for RMR that will likely change the world of match shooting - Yes, it's going to be BIG.

The "good news" is based on RMR's consistency in their bullet manufacturing process of FMJ/JHP/MPR/FMJ Match Winner like increased greater "fold over" of FMJ lead base.

Below is example of RMR 124 gr FP Match Winner: Older production on the left with ~.064" copper fold over lead base (Which is still more than most FMJ) and newer production on the right with ~.074" copper fold over lead base.

 

[LiveLife]

BDS, you may be getting these guys a little too excited over something that's more just exciting to you and I.

You are seriously humbling yourself. I will let THR members be the judge but this will be big news for sure.

I have a feeling a bunch more people will be excited to hear the news, which COULD have global implications. I could easily see 2-3, maybe 4 dedicated specialized forums lighting up with this news.

On a different note, I just bought tooling lines to make .40 and .45 on our machines. Now I just need to save up some money to get the lead core machine it will need and then spend the money and time to do the conversions. It's a ways off, but the major hurdle has been jumped.

Nice!

 

[LiveLife]

Update from Jake is news will be released "sometime" in the month of August.

Stay tuned.

I hope your right BDS, you have our attention. What did Jake do, design his own long range rifle bullet or design his own cartridge?

Nothing like that.

I think it's safe to say the good news has to do with consistency of his bullets and the match shooting world, especially changes made to current production lots to enhance bullet consistency even more like base copper fold over.

And I promise the news will blow your minds as it did to me. I expected good things for RMR's in-house manufactured jacketed bullets but this? Wow!

I just bought tooling lines to make .40 and .45 on our machines. Now I just need to save up some money to get the lead core machine it will need and then spend the money and time to do the conversions. It's a ways off, but the major hurdle has been jumped.

I could easily see the resulting fallout of "good news" funding the 40/45 caliber production.

Great job!

 

[Nature Boy]

I know it’s a long shot but I’m still hoping it’s custom match quality rifle bullets

 

[grandpawj]

It's gonna be 9mm copper plated cherry pits!

 

[drband]

Yippee!

 

[LiveLife]

I know it’s a long shot but I’m still hoping it’s custom match quality rifle bullets

Nope.

It's gonna be 9mm copper plated cherry pits!

Nope.

It's not a new bullet, rather "usage" of their latest production of in-house "match grade" bullets due to their "consistency". I think that's as much as I can share without spilling the beans.

 

[Rule3]

"Life Changing" ??

OK I sure am ready!

 

[LiveLife]

While Jake is being humble, I am quite sure it will be "life changing" for many.

It's really Jake's hard work over the years coming to fruition and paying off.

He deserves what is happening and will happen further in the future.

 

[Walkalong]

Teasing isn't nice........

 

[LiveLife]

Well, I think Jake anticipated the news to be released by first of August when he mentioned the news in PM, but it turned out "sometime" in August now.

Seriously, "teasing" was not intended by either of us.

 

[higgite]

Sorry, you're too late. I swore off life changing events last month.

 

[kidneyboy]

Sorry, you're too late. I swore off life changing events last month.

My life changing event happened in November of 2002 when the doctor told me I had about 3 months to live.

 

[vaalpens]

It seems that you put emphasis on the manufacturing process and the increased "fold over", but includes JHP and MPR in the list. I wonder if Dudedog will start buying Match Winner bullets after the upcoming announcement.

 

[Skgreen]

So, with what little we do know,,,,
I keep asking myself,,,
"Whatever it is, can I even 'shoot the difference'?"

The GOOD (for me) NEWS is that, over a few months, I've squirreled away a few odd thousand 115 & 124 Matchwinners.

Plenty of time to let the dust settle, get some opinions.

 

[Dudedog]

I like the match winners but still prefer no exposed lead at the base due to past lead issues.
Probably now that I no longer shoot at the indoor range I used to shoot at it wouldn't make a difference.
My favorite used to be the old RMR FN/cone plated but I like the new MPRs better.
I like the MPRs a hair better than the MW but it's a close call.

BTW no issues at all reloading and shooting outdoors, Indoor range was the issue.
I would urge anyone who shoots at an indoor range to get their lead levels checked.
They can be sky high and you can still feel fine.
Some indoor ranges are fine, but there seems to be evidence that a lot are not.

 

[Milt1]

When when when?

 

[ArchAngelCD]

Now I feel left out! I'm shooting their MPR bullets, not the Match Winners! I guess I will just have to buy some MW bullets too... (music to Jake's ears lol)

 

[LiveLife]

Got an update PM from Jake. We can share the good news on August 10th.

Finally got an answer. < Redacted > on August 10th. We will know, based on how well < Redacted >, whether or not we will need to buy another machine.

 

[ATLDave]

As long as we are pointlessly guessing, I wonder if it's something that will result in tighter weight, dimensional, and/or concentricity spreads or deviations for the bullets.

 

[mdi]

Not being snarky, but really interested; what is/are the benefits of .010" additional "wraparound" on the base of a pistol bullet?

 

[LiveLife]

Not being snarky, but really interested; what is/are the benefits of .010" additional "wraparound" on the base of a pistol bullet?

Jake could better answer that question but to me, larger fold over of copper gilding metal decreases amount of exposed lead base and increases bullet integrity consistency.

 

[LiveLife]

As long as we are pointlessly guessing, I wonder if it's something that will result in tighter weight, dimensional, and/or concentricity spreads or deviations for the bullets.

No.

That has already happened to RMR bullets as they made several improvements since the introduction of in-house manufactured jacketed bullets. Current lots of bullets in production incorporate those improvements and according to Jake, produce greater accuracy over the earlier lots. (So for my testing purposes for THR, I ordered new production lots of all the RMR in-house bullets I had on hand)

The good news is beyond that. To me, an obvious "application" of that consistency. Based on my testing of RMR in-house manufactured jacketed bullets to other "known accurate" bullets, especially by match shooters in general, I knew they were consistent as they produced smaller groups in comparison testings but I was not expecting the level of good news Jake shared in PM.

Here's comparison 25 yard 10 shot group testing with scoped Just Right Carbine and bipod with 115 gr Hornady HAP, RMR 115 gr FMJ and Zero 115 gr FMJ (Known to be very accurate match bullets) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ng-at-25-50-yards.808446/page-3#post-10359711

Adjustable vs fixed stock comparison

This was my very first fixed stock testing and subsequent carbine testings for THR threads have been with fixed stock and 25 yard groups are even smaller usually single ragged hole. (Note that Zero bullet used was sized .356" and RMR .3555")

Like this IMR Target load development groups. And while there exists accuracy node issue and more detailed powder work up could have been done for the bullets, over the decades, 4.6-4.8 gr of W231/HP-38 has been my accuracy zone with different bullets with 4.8 gr producing smaller groups than 4.6 gr from my barrels.

 

[LiveLife]

BDS makes it sound way bigger than it is. A very well known match ammo MFG is going to use our bullets for production of their match ammo. Our name won't be on the box or anything but we will be allowed to tell people that it's our bullets.

Yeah but I bet many THR members and match shooters from other forums will be surprised to hear "which" manufacturer of match ammunition.

I will start taking bets.

Any guesses THR members?

Winner who guesses the right match ammo manufacturer will win an assortment of RMR bullets of their choice (calibers/weights) from me (If multiple members with same manufacturer, a random drawing will be used)

 

[Skgreen]

Can't remember the last time I bought any commercial 'match' centerfire pistol ammo, so I'm not really up to date on the current offerings/manufacturers.

BUT,

If it helps Jake sell more product, and in turn, he's able to expand his jacketed 'in-house' offerings into some other common calibers, I'm looking forward to it!