Gun Laws in Scandinavia

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AlexanderA said:
Even with the Hughes Amendment, U.S. (federal) law is more permissive regarding machine guns than practically all of the rest of the world. To find a better law on civilian ownership of machine guns, you'd have to go to places like Somalia or Yemen.
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Switzerland and Estonia are probably more permissive.

Czech Republic is a special apple - anyone stubborn enough would probably get court decision overruling negative may issue police department ruling, but any person willing to go through that simply gets gun dealer's license and suddenly full auto funs become shall issue for him. Yes there is a red tape but getting through it is quite straight forward. (Just that then the person is not considered civilian for the statistical purposes but rather a professional).

Anyway your's line of argumentation is weird. I started by pointing out that your SCOTUS as well as other courts have been ignoring "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" for quite some time now and that this is real issue for US gun owners, not which government sits in the White House (maybe I should have been more precise, but I thought that given that this is gun forum my message is clear). You come back at me saying that the infringements are not so bad, you are still better off than most people elsewhere. Well, whatever makes you happy I guess.
 
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Ignition Override said:
By the way, there is a topic over at AKfiles, General Rifles, about which Euro countries allow semi-auto rifles. The question, based on this topic, now seems to be which countries will be pressured to take this right away from its "citizens"/subjects, or will the overlords in Brussels simply create too many extra restrictions as harassment.
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Could you send the link please?

The current "EU GUN BAN" does not forbid ownership of semi-auto rifles in general, only the following categories:
- converted semi-automatic firearms, i.e. automatic firearms, which have been converted into semi-automatic firearms
- standard capacity magazines (i.e. no more than 10 rds)
- SBR - semi-automatic long firearms (firearms that are originally intended to be fired from the shoulder) that can be reduced to a length of less than 60 cm without losing functionality by means of a folding or telescoping stock or by a stock that can be removed without using tools

The countries may at the same time decide to apply this only to new firearms acquisition (this exception was mainly based on the Czech Republic protest that confiscations would be unconstitutional infringement into right to property).

I.e. surplus vz.58 are covered by the ban but newly made vz.58 or AR 15 are not as long as they are longer than 60 cm and have 10 and less rds magazine.

But the Directive includes other "exemptions" which, if utilized to full extent (as they will be in the Czech Republic), will make the "ban" part ineffective - just add more stupid and unnecessary paperwork to the process. See here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Firearms_Directive#Content
 
Snejdarek said:
Could you please provide exact translation of the given part of Swedish law? "Reasonable force" is a very high standard to be met.

For example, Czech law states that the self defense may not be "manifestly disproportionate to the manner of attack" (or, according to different translation: "obviously grossly disproportionate to the manner of the attack" - I think that mine is better, but the other one is closer to verbatim translation).
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This is from Wikipedia. Only copied from there because for some reason the government side would not copy. But it says the same thing.
Sweden [edit | Edit wikitext]
Nödvärn is a basis for discharge. Of 24 chap. Section 1 of the Criminal Code, BrB, states that an offense committed by a person in emergency situations constitutes criminal offenses only if, in view of the nature of the attack, the significance of the attack and the circumstances in general, it is manifestly inaccurate. [1]

Daily numbers usually say that no more force than the need requires may be used. The law states, however, that violence must not be manifestly inaccurate (see also section 10 of the Police Act; the violence must be justified). In some cases, any person who uses obviously irresponsible violence may nevertheless be free from punishment, provided that the circumstances were such that he or she could hardly reconsider, as stated in Chapter 24. 6 § BrB. This is called emergency conscience, and aims at the ability of the attackers to adapt their actions in the concrete situation to what is deemed to be permitted under the Emergency Order (NJA 2009 p. 241).

The law lists four circumstances when the right to use emergency services is:

Against a commenced or imminent criminal attack on a person or property.
Against the one who, with violence or threat of violence or otherwise, prevents property from being taken on labor.
Against the one who illegally penetrated or tried to penetrate space, house, farm or ship.
Against anyone who refuses to leave a residence after termination.
 
Snejdarek said:
Could you elaborate on Denmark? I have been under impression that gun laws in Denmark are way, way stricter than in Sweden.


I have recently seen Czech TV interview with a Swedish citizen on the rise of gun club membership in Sweden. The person claimed that many are joining due to worsening security situation. The person was lamenting that she needs to be member of the club for a given period of time (12 months? - not sure) and needs to practice regularly before she becomes eligible to get a license to be able to purchase and keep a pistol in a safe in her home. Is that correct or is it really "no problem, just join a club".
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As far as i'm aware and talking to my Danish and Norwegian friends our gun laws are very similar.
 
Snejdarek said:
I have recently seen Czech TV interview with a Swedish citizen on the rise of gun club membership in Sweden. The person claimed that many are joining due to worsening security situation. The person was lamenting that she needs to be member of the club for a given period of time (12 months? - not sure) and needs to practice regularly before she becomes eligible to get a license to be able to purchase and keep a pistol in a safe in her home. Is that correct or is it really "no problem, just join a club".
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There is a probationary period and you have to be an active member to get a hand gun. All guns kept at home must be kept in a approved gun cabinet. There is only one way to get a pistol for hunting and that is for use when digging foxes or badgers. single shot only for that.
As you can't give a reason such as self defense to get a pistol then it only leaves joining a club . If your interested in pistol shooting then its just a case of join a club.
 
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I've just been looking at danish gun laws and they seem very similar to Swedish gun laws. Denmark is a very small country with more agriculture and not the vast afforested ground in comparison to Sweden.
I see that the US is #1 for guns per hundred people. Second place is Yemen. Finland #4, Sweden #10 , Norway #11 Denmark #54 and the Czech republic #38. So it would seem that that the Norden countries aren't so down trodden after all.
 
Skoghund said:
Yes, 12 months probation period. Thats a problem if you want to shoot pistol because?
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You claimed
Skoghund said:
You can Have Competition shotguns and rifles if you belong to a clay, target shooting club. Pistols and revolvers, no problem, just join a club.
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12 months waiting period subject to regular attendance in the club is actually quite far from "no problem, just join a club".

Skoghund said:
I've just been looking at danish gun laws and they seem very similar to Swedish gun laws.
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Apparently in Denmark the pistol "waiting period" is 2 years, and only small calibre pistols are allowed (whatever that means); the permit is may issue. While hunting weapons may be stored in-house, sport shooting weapons (the only other category, as getting them for self-defense is verboten) must be stored at the club.

I can't find info on legality of semi-auto rifles in Denmark, but I will take the status of pistols as a good indication.

Well I guess we can just settle that our understanding of "similar" is widely different.
 
everydefense said:
Sounds eerily similar to the past (2016) election for POTUS
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What is that category "ineligible to vote"? Are those under 18 or people who are not registered to vote? Living in the country where every citizen has the right to vote - period - the latter would seem horrific.
 
Snejdarek: Sorry, but I'm a low-tech (New Stone Age/Hallstatt) Dummkopf and don't know how to include a link or do other magic tricks, except make boxes of ammo and chocolate vanish.

It's just "AKfiles", "General Rifles" to find the Euro topic. There are Euro members on that website, but a Moderator stated that subjects about European gun laws can be in other AKfiles forums, at random.
 
Snejdarek said:
What is that category "ineligible to vote"? Are those under 18 or people who are not registered to vote? Living in the country where every citizen has the right to vote - period - the latter would seem horrific.
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Overview of how the voting-eligible population (VEP) is constructed.
"The voting-eligible population is constructed by adjusting the voting-age population for non-citizens and ineligible felons, depending on state law. National estimates are further adjusted for overseas eligible voters...
There are adjustments that I am unable to made due to lack of available data, such as the number of permanently disfranchised felons, depending on state law, the number of persons who have been judged mentally incompetent by state law, and the number of persons who have moved within a state after the close of voter registration, depending on state law."
http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/faq/sold

Ignition Override said:
Snejdarek: Sorry, but I'm a low-tech (New Stone Age/Hallstatt) Dummkopf and don't know how to include a link or do other magic tricks, except make boxes of ammo and chocolate vanish.

It's just "AKfiles", "General Rifles" to find the Euro topic. There are Euro members on that website, but a Moderator stated that subjects about European gun laws can be in other AKfiles forums, at random.
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"Abra, kadabra, alakazam"... *poof*
Oh, look- is this the thread you were talking about? :D

Which Euro lands allow civilians to own semi-auto rifles?
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315697
 
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