H.R. 6257 - Assault Weapon Ban Re-authorization Act of 2008

[LegalAlien]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-6257

This proposed Bill severely attacks our 2A rights. Even more restrictive and specific than the original expired Bill.

Write/phone/email the sponsor, cosponsors and your own representatives to prevent this Bill from proceding any further.

I am not going into the political aspects of this, but it is gun related and RKBA related and we need to pay special attention to this

 

[Big45]

Bill is 4 months old and has 4 cosponsors. What am I supposed to be worried about again?

 

[Zoogster]

Always good to be vigilant, but I do not see any anti legislation going through until after the elections.

When the Democrats have majorities in the House, the Senate, and the Presidency all at the same time is when you need to worry. It looks like that is going to be the case.
The worst among them will be able to sponsor anti legislation, and have it voted on along party lines in short time, and then signed right into law. Won't be many checks and balances in place. (Other than the 2nd Amendment, but don't worry about that, Supreme Court appointments by the next president can deal with any appeals that end up at the SCOTUS years down the road.)

So when things are looking so easy for the antis not too many months from now, I don't think they are going to do much to bring attention to the issue of gun control while votes are still important.

 

[mbt2001]

Bill is 4 months old and has 4 cosponsors. What am I supposed to be worried about again?

That the Government is attacking your 2nd amendment rights, rights guaranteed in the Constitution, a document that the Government has sworn to uphold...

And don't think that 4 sponsors can't turn into 80 if Obama wins the election.

 

[hso]

Then it might be a good idea to hit things like this hard now instead of waiting until the current in Congress is even stronger against us!

 

[LegalAlien]

Bill is 4 months old and has 4 cosponsors. What am I supposed to be worried about again?

Dream on brother. . .. dream on!!

You might just be woken up in a screaming nightmare of HR 6257 during 2009.

 

[Frog48]

When the Democrats have majorities in the House, the Senate, and the Presidency all at the same time is when you need to worry.

And don't think that 4 sponsors can't turn into 80 if Obama wins the election.

Yall are assuming that this bill is a Democratic product. Click the above link... HR 6257's sponsor is a Republican, as are all 4 co-sponsors.

Sponsor:
Rep. Mark Kirk [R-IL]

Co-sponsors:
Rep. Michael Castle [R-DE]
Rep. Michael Ferguson [R-NJ]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL]
Rep. Christopher Shays [R-CT]

 

[Crow1108]

Yall are assuming that this bill is a Democratic product. Click the above link... HR 6257's sponsor is a Republican, as are all 4 co-sponsors.

Sponsor:
Rep. Mark Kirk [R-IL]

Co-sponsors:
Rep. Michael Castle [R-DE]
Rep. Michael Ferguson [R-NJ]
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen [R-FL]
Rep. Christopher Shays [R-CT]

Thought it was a little weird seeing all of them were GOP, then I noticed where they all are from (mostly the liberal stronghold of New England). The Florida one...well...the hyphenated last name gives it away

 

[Phil DeGraves]

then I noticed where they all are from (mostly the liberal stronghold of New England).

Only the Connecticut one is from New England. Maine, NH, and VT are all solidly pro gun. (Mass. CT. & RI, that's a different story.) Delaware and NJ are NOT part of New England.

 

[LegalAlien]

Let's keep the politics out of this one

It is unfortunate about the political affiliations of the sponsor and co-sponsors, but, be that as it may, can we please keep the party politics out of this.

Best we can do is to contact our own representative, whether Rep, Dem, Ind, etc and let them know we do NOT want to see this Bill go any further during 2008 and we do NOT want a resurrection and repeat of 2007 and 2008 attempts.

 

[hso]

If you can visit any of these politicians it will go a very long way to getting their ear. If you can't get to see them, a snail mail message carries more weight than an email. Try to get others to snail mail the word to them that an AWB is already a failed experiment that even the National Science Foundation and the DOJ couldn't find any statistical support for.

 

[mbt2001]

We have made the gains that we have because we began engaging the other side on every point, statistic and law they tried to put out there. It has been extremely effective, not just in the political realm, but in the tilting of the debate from the idea that banning guns would really do anything at all.

The next step is to win the argument that some guns are more deadly and dangerous than others. This would be a bad time to disengage.

 

[hags]

If you can visit any of these politicians it will go a very long way to getting their ear. If you can't get to see them, a snail mail message carries more weight than an email. Try to get others to snail mail the word to them that an AWB is already a failed experiment that even the National Science Foundation and the DOJ couldn't find any statistical support for.

Uh, having a brother who is an attroney who worked in a U.S. Senator's office I can tell you that snail mail, notes, and postcards usually wind up being the joke of the day.

Sad fact is that the good parts get highlighted, copied, or handed around for light entertainment.

Your representatives are far more accessable to those with money, power and influence. A school shooting with major press coverage or something along those lines is all it would take for your rights to be trampled under an Obama, Pelosi, Reed administration.

 

[hso]

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[hags]

Rkba?

 

[Frog48]

It is unfortunate about the political affiliations of the sponsor and co-sponsors, but, be that as it may, can we please keep the party politics out of this.

My point was simply that we can not afford to assume that a particular politician is "on our side" simply because they happen to label themselves as Republican (or Democrat, or what-have-you).

We much scrutinize EVERY candidate and assess their personal ideology individually, REGARDLESS of claimed political party. Our rights could possibly be infringed either side of the ideological spectrum, so we much remain attentive and not lull ourselves into a false sense of security.

 

[Big45]

snore

 

[Juna]

And don't think that 4 sponsors can't turn into 80 if Obama wins the election.

Exactly. This isn't about partisan politics, but Obama, Pelosi, and other prominent politicians in the highest positions of power are as vehemently anti-gun as can be. This bill is on the back burner for now, but wait and see what happens if Obama wins. Remember what happened when Clinton won?

If Obama wins... No checks. No balances. Veto-proof, filibuster proof control over both houses of Congress, in addition to control of the White House and the SCOTUS. Remember, we only kept our 2A rights by a 5-4 majority in the Heller case!!!! ONE VOTE was all that kept our individual right to keep and bear arms from extinction!!!

NEVER get complacent. One SCOTUS justice is 89 y/o, and 3-4 others are over 70 y/o.

 

[distra]

Only the Connecticut one is from New England. Maine, NH, and VT are all solidly pro gun. (Mass. CT. & RI, that's a different story.) Delaware and NJ are NOT part of New England.

Actually CT is not bad (minus the AWB :banghead, we have carry permits with few restrictions, no gun list like MA, but still not as nice VT or NH. This guy Shays is the rep. from Fairfield county AKA New York City's north east suburb. Doesn't surprise me coming from that area of CT. DE & NJ are police states compared to CT so that's not surprising either. We must stay vigilant and stop this nonsense. If "That one" wins we will have 4 hard years of fighting this mess. Sign-up as many new NRA members as possible. Let's learn from the UK and believe an all out ban could happen in the US.

 

[skwab]

I think we need to play up the economic health of the firearm industry. I may be wrong, but from everything I've seen it is a very healthy industry on many fronts, from manufacturing, to retail to participation. Weapons bans will only mean lost revenues, decreased profits and lost jobs. - Not the kind of thing you want to be responsible for during these sketchy economic times.

 

[hso]

skawb has a very very good point. Do we want to put people out of good manufacturing jobs during hard economic times? That's a great point to hammer home!

 

[hags]

skawb has a very very good point. Do we want to put people out of good manufacturing jobs during hard economic times? That's a great point to hammer home!

Let's see..........if it means saving one life. if it means assault weapons out of the hands of criminals, if it means no more innocent victims in urban drive-bys, if it means saving a life in a domestic dispute, if it means one less assualt weapon in the hands of a gang banger, if it means cops have to deal with one less assault weapon on the street, etc...........

What do you think the response would be, especially if Obama was the salesman?
He could appeal to country and the urban black community and say "these weapons are killing our children". Does anyone think that an argument about jobs would sway anyone?

Of course I'm playing devil's advocate but I can see this happening without putting too much thought into it.

 

[skwab]

I agree Hags - but they'll spin any argument we come up with, but the more angles that can be included in the argument, the better the position. And right now the economy is hot and heavy on people's minds. The argument of economics wouldn't stand on its own because I don't think the industry is all that big, but it could certainly contribute.

 

[hags]

There's just no need to have these "assault weapons". They're killing are kids and are used against the police.

Your answer is?

 

[hags]

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