Heartened by Senate Vote, Anti-Gun Groups Demand 'Stronger' Ban

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Read the very last sentence and you get the entire objective of
banning "assault weapons." It's banning all guns.

Heartened by Senate Vote, Anti-Gun Groups Demand 'Stronger' Ban
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
March 04, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Gun control groups not only want Congress to
pass an extension of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban -- they
also want the ban to be "strengthened."

They said they are heartened by this week's gun control
votes in the U.S. Senate.

The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun
industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by
modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them
'post-ban' or 'after-ban' assault weapons.

Such weapons are perfectly legal under the so-called
"assault weapons" ban. But the Violence Policy Center
accuses the gun industry of evading the intent of Congress
by "making minor cosmetic changes and producing 'clones' and
'knock-off' versions to continue to sell for profit at the
expense of public safety."

The group singled out six Illinois gunmakers that
manufacture "post-ban assault weapons." It said a new study
shows that Illinois has more "post-ban" assault weapon
manufacturers than any other state.

Even if the U.S. Senate had passed an extension of the
semi-automatic weapons ban, "the extension would do nothing
to curtail Illinois unique distinction of being number one
in manufacturing these deadly assault weapons," said Thom
Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against
Handgun Violence.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence says renewing the
assault weapons ban will be its highest priority for the coming months.

In a press release, the group praised John Kerry for
speaking "loud and clear on what America should be doing to
reduce gun violence." On Tuesday, Kerry voted in favor of an
amendment that would have extended the Clinton-era ban on
"military-style assault weapons."

That amendment contributed to the defeat of a larger bill
that would have protected gun makers from
politically-motivated lawsuits intended to drive them out of
business.

Brady Campaign President Michael Barnes praised "police
leaders, crime victims and elected leaders of both parties"
for "standing up and rejecting the extremist agenda of the
National Rifle Association's leadership."

The fact that the Senate passed an amendment extending the
assault weapons ban shows that "common-sense gun safety laws
are back on the national agenda," Barnes said.

"As of today, these military-style weapons of destruction
are only outlawed in this country for 195 more days," he
warned. "Our priority in those 195 days is to work with
police, Congress and the American public to make sure this
ban remains in effect. To let it expire would be an outrage."

In the weeks ahead, gun violence advocates will be preparing
for a second Million Mom March on May 9 in Washington, D.C.
They're calling it "the Mother's Day March to Halt the
Assault." Activists will call on Congress to reauthorize and
strengthen the assault weapons ban, the Brady Campaign said.

'Fraud'

The Clinton-era "assault weapons" ban is a total fraud and
should be allowed to lapse, Second Amendment groups say.

"Even before the Clinton ban was enacted, federal surveys
showed that violent criminals carried a 'military-type gun'
only in about one percent of the crimes nationwide," Erich
Pratt, Gun Owners of America's director of communications,
said in a recent press release.

Gun owners object to the ban because it arbitrarily outlaws
a certain group of guns based on how they look --
characteristics that give them a "military-style" appearance.

Equally offensive to some gun owners is the fact that the
government is deciding which guns have "legitimate" uses --
the argument that "you don't need an assault weapon to go
hunting."

One Second Amendment group recently rejected that
"guns-for-hunting" argument.

"The Second Amendment is not, and never has been, about
shooting ducks, deer, clay targets or tin cans," said Alan
Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right
to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), in a recent press release.

"It's about personal defense, homeland security, and
resisting tyranny."

Another argument holds that by rallying Americans against
"assault" weapons first -- gun control groups will find it
that much easier to achieve their ultimate goal of
eventually outlawing all guns.

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They said they are heartened by this week's gun control votes

Do we even live on the same planet as these people?

Or have they hired Saddam's Information Minister to do their PR?

What this article does remind me is that their side thinks like ours: while the lawsuit immunity was important and all, the real prize is the AWB.
They take heart that there is probably enough votes to pass the Senate if they can somehow get it brought up, we take heart because we rejected their best chance of getting it renewed.
 
They are spinning hard.

The amendment to merely extend the AWB as is was destroyed 90-8 on the final vote.

Even Feinswine sayed she was stunned and made dizzy by the rapidity of the bill's death after one little email.

And they think they can get a stronger version of the AWB passed?

hillbilly
 
This is very good. The more extreme the antis get in their demands the more they are going to awaken and alienate the moderate "Sportsmen" out there who dont currently view the antis as a threat.

Imagine what we could accomplish if we could get even a fraction of the American gun owners to be active in defending RKBA.

This makes a great case for putting Sun Tzu into practice with some creative thinking.
 
The best thing to do is, I think, for NRA or GOA or someone to put full page ads in hunting and outdoors magazines listing the politicians who voted for the "amor-piercing" ammo amendment. That ought to smack the apathy out of the hunters. If these groups don't do it than maybe we should consider a THR media campaign to that effect.

The least we can do is spread the word to other gun forums that we belong to, preferably forums filled with hunting/fence-sitter types.

edited to add: If NRA et al don't put these kinds of ads out then what the hell are we paying them for? But that's another thread . . .
 
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The best thing to do is, I think, for NRA or GOA or someone to put full page ads in hunting and outdoors magazines listing the politicians who voted for the "amor-piercing" ammo amendment.

Call it the "Kennedy .30-30 ban" though. That ought to get their attention.
 
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I'd love to see the text as well. I'm sending a letter to Sen. Murray about her vote on that bill, and would love to be able to quote Kennedy on banning hunting ammo in some letters to the editor.
 
SEN. KENNEDY: Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America. Armor-piercing ammunition for rifles and assault weapons is virtually unregulated in the United States. A Federal license is not required to sell such ammunition unless firearms are sold as well. Anyone over the age of 18 may purchase this ammunition without a background check. There is no Federal minimum age of possession. Purchases may be made over the counter, by mail order, by fax, by Internet, and there is no Federal requirement that dealers retain sales records.

Page: S1635 of the Senate Congressional Record for February 26, 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/r108/r108.html
 
Wait...three officers were killed by .30-30...in a span of 9 YEARS...and so it needs to be banned, according to the Senator from Chappaquidick? Sounds like Teddy was hitting the sauce a bit heavier than usual.

And I'd really like to know what kind of armored vehicle can be penetrated by .30-30.

.30-06 and 7.62 NATO AP rounds...those I know can punch some serious holes. I've done OPORDs (in the schoolhouse) where the use of M240s to destroy BTRs (8 wheeled tin cans) was a planned part of the defense.
 
Notice how he's afraid of rounds the can penetrate armoured limousines.

Teddy only really needs to worry about terrorists poisoning the nation's Jack Daniel's supply.
 
even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.

A sad day in our nation when 600-pound safes cannot walk the streets in safety, and must cower in fear from the brigands and dacoits that plague the back-alleys and gin-mills of this once great republic!
 
The thought just occurred to me that Sen. Kennedy may have a personal reason for worrying about bullets that can penetrate objects that weigh 600 pounds...
 
The Washington-based Violence Policy Center accuses the gun industry of "willfully circumventing federal law" by modifying a new generation of weapons and renaming them 'post-ban' or 'after-ban' assault weapons.

"In other news, the VPC has called for the arrest and conviction of all people driving 54 MPH and below on America's highways, as these reckless drivers are willfully circumventing the 55 MPH speed limit." :rolleyes:
 
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