help: keltec su-16 or bushmaster carbon 15?

[goldfinger12]

hello everybody. i need your help on choosing my next rifle as a gift for myself this christmas. im planning to buy a .223 just for plinking. my choices are kel-tec su 16 or bushmaster carbon 15 (the ruger mini-14 is definitely out of my list). the carbon 15 is my 2nd choice because of the sealed magwell, by the way i live in the wonderful state of california. can you help me guys with these. any suggestions will help. thanks

 

[rangerruck]

well, let me say this; i just picked up a plr 16 , kel tec's 223 pistol. I have only just began to break it in, firing about 200 rounds with various synth and usgi mags. i love it! it needs some more testing , to see what it likes best. I do know now not to use ANY STEEL OR WASHED STEEL , OR NICKEL WASHED STEEL ammo in them. When I got home, i was going to do a quick break down and clean/wipe down on the action /receiver etc. i started to take it apart , and waalaaah!
it just ain't dirty. Normally an ar would be crud coated at this point , to where you could measure the thickness layer just by 'eye gauging'. i look inside the receiver on this, and i can easily see the shiny inside plastic of the upper receiver! I put it away, with a smile on my face. the piston drive saves the day. If i ever did decide to get an ar, it would have to be a piston drive.

 

[Rexrider]

I can only tell you what my personal choice would be in your situation. I would buy the Kel-tec and not look back.

The Kel-tec seems to be well on it's way to proving itself as a viable rifle. The fact that you can use detachable mags makes all the difference to me.

 

[crazed_ss]

I'd go with the SU-16 or even the Mini-14.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Carbons don't have the best rep for reliability. Rob Silvers tested several variants, none ran 100% vs. conventional ARs which did. Don't know about SU16 first-hand, but most owners seem happy.

 

[Spencer]

I would go with the Mini-14 over the Kel-Tec.

 

[railroader]

http://blackstararms.com/punbb/ These should be available after the 1st of the year. Mark

 

[rangerruck]

hmm... berry interesting! I wonder what a baseline priced, version in 223 of that , will be going for?

 

[railroader]

http://blackstararms.com/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=2 More pics. Mark

 

[357wheelgunner]

"Fundamentally, the Blackstar rifle is simply a redesigned AR-15 lower receiver in which the trigger has been moved up and back so that a traditional comb stock can be used. As is well known to the directors of the VPC and the Brady Center, a comb stock is far less dangerous to public order than a pistol grip. Not only will Blackstar shooters be able to legally enjoy all the functionality of an AR-15 rifle, but they will be able to sleep better at night knowing their use of a dolphin-friendly traditional comb stock must result in far less injury, death and carnage than would be caused by a pistol grip stock. And fewer dead kittens."

I almost split my side laughing at the heavily laid on sarcasm