Help me, please. New HD carbine, need input.

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VaughnT

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Well, don't ya know this is how things happen in my world. I've been aching for gunstuff for the last few months and I've been buying like the plan for world domination was about to be put into action. I even have a pair of RRobbins 5.11 pants, now!!

The one thing that bugged me was that I didn't have a box-fed carbine for repelling the soon-to-be-coming hordes. I would have prefered belt-fed, but box-fed is cool, too.

What I didn't want was a .223 or .308, as I have very little use for those calibers (read: really hard to come up with even a mediocre excuse to justify the purpose), and didn't want to add another caliber to the shopping list when the gunshow comes to town. The best solution I could think of was to look for something in a pistol caliber, either 9mm or 45acp, as I have autoloaders in those calibers. Magazine compatibility would be a plus, but not necessarily a deal-killer.

Long story short, the gods on high did smile down on me this afternoon. A bud at work said he had a Marlin something or other that was "a 45", and that he was wanting to get rid of to finance a motorcycle. He wasn't very forthcoming with details, but I said I'd look it over if he brought it in.

I was expecting a Marlin levergun in .45 Long Colt, but he brought in a Marlin Camp Carbine that is in mint condition. There is no residue in the barrel, no maring on the ejector, and no brass depositing on the breechface. The wood is perfect and the blueing looks like the cosmoline was just wiped off.

He said $350. I pratically ran to the ATM. The gun is now mine. Don't know what the value is (SN: 078913XX), but I'm glad to be the owner. To top it all off, not only did he have the original 7-round stainless Marlin magazine, but he also had one 10-round blued Mecgar mag and a 15-round blue Mecgar mag. My CMC and Wilson mags seem to work fine in the weapon, though I haven't fired round one as of yet.

Anyhow, I now have a box-fed carbine! What I need is information on the weapon and any tips or tricks to make it perform. Any problems I should look for? Any sources for springs and spare parts? What type of sling would you recommend for HSLD armchair ops?

Does anyone make a better stock? The one thing that bugs me the most, just on the outset, is that the wood has absolutely no checkering. I wouldn't mind something in a sexy black, maybe a Hogue Overmoulded, and I would love something that has a heatshield as I see a lot of ammo going down the bore of this baby.

What types of ammo will it handle? I figure I'll keep it cruiser-ready with a mag of Gold Dot +P hollowpoints, but what's good for longer ranges? How far out would you feel comfortable taking a shot with this weapon? Do you think 185g would do better than 230g? Would FMJ be more accurate than HP? Better sights have to be out there somewhere as these ones won't work with my eyes beyond 50 feet or so.

Whatever information you could share would be most appreciated. I'll be heading to the range on Sunday to break it in.
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Nice catch!

You got yourself a real good deal on that Marlin. I got a Camp 45 last month for $379 and feel that I got a good deal.

So far I've only run WWB 230 grain ball through mine, but it was very reliable. I had one failure to feed the final round in a mag, but I am certain that this was a mag-related issue, as I had the same problem with that mag later in my Springfield M1911.

One thing to be aware of is that in my opinion, the Marlin's recoil spring is WAY too light as shipped from the factory. The OEM spring is only about 11#. Before I put one round through mine I replaced the factory spring with a 16# spring from Wolffe.

The Camp 45s have something of a reputation for cracking stocks. I think this is due to a couple things: loose screws holding the action in the stock, and the light factory recoil spring.

Before I took mine to the range I took it down and cleaned it. It gets pretty dirty in the receiver when you shoot it, but cleans up pretty easily. I would lightly lubricate the bolt. Don't go too heavy with the oil or it'll turn into a soupy mess. I may try a dry lube.

Keep strong solvents away from the plastic trigger group unless you want to hunt for a replacement.

If you want to put optics on it, it takes the same scope base as the Marlin 336, i.e., the Weaver #63B. I put a cheap red dot on mine but haven't gotten to try it yet. With the factory sights I was getting one hole groups at 25 yards and regularly whacking clay pigeons at 50 yards.

A couple informational sites:

Unofficial home page:
http://members.aol.com/fourn6/camp9.html

How to take it down:
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/marlincamp9war.htm

Here's mine next to my Underwood M1:

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Thanks for the links, Dave. The gun didn't come with a manual and I was scratching my head trying to figure out how to take it down for maintenance. I'll contact Wolff for a new recoil spring, asap.

Pigeons at 50yd? That aint bad accuracy. Was that with the scope or iron sights? Don't know if I could see a pigeon at 50yd!

Any sources for stocks, doyaknow? Why's yours have checkering and mine doesn't?

Is your mag release button really tiny? And what's that thing on the magwell just behind the mag button? It locks the slide open when I push it up, but it doesn't drop the slide when I push it down. Am I missing something? Does this carbine have a problem?

Know any sources for aftermarket add-ons? As a sort of cult carbine, I would expect to see a lot of stuff out there to make it look mall-ninja like.

Can't wait to shoot it!
 
VaughnT,
You got a good buy.

Next time you tear it down check the buffer. Mine fell apart after a good while. So I bought 2 spares.

If you find you have trouble with the magazines hanging up when you try to load them it's probably the Mickey Mouse magazine safety. I removed mine and threw it away years ago.

The rifle will feed and shoot most anything well.
My standard 45 practice load in everything is a 200 grain lead SWC.

I use a Red Dot or scope on mine.
As Dave said a Weaver #63 (A or B) fits the receiver.
One is longer but I don't remember which, A or B.

When you reassemble it after cleaning make sure the bullet ramp is behind the barrel. It can be assembled with the ramp under the barrel which will cause feeding jams.
 
Bryan, thanks for the link. I've printed out the important parts and will break the rifle down this evening for a cleaning and lube. Good stuff to know.

M2, how'd you pull out the mag safety? Any tips? Any problems? Are spare parts still available from Marlin? Anyone else offering buffers? Have you found the wood stock cracking? Did you replace your recoil spring? What's accuracy like at long ranges? Do you shoot out to 100yds?

Can't wait to break this lady in.
 
Pigeons at 50yd? That aint bad accuracy. Was that with the scope or iron sights? Don't know if I could see a pigeon at 50yd!

That was with irons.

Any sources for stocks, doyaknow? Why's yours have checkering and mine doesn't?

Brownell's may have stocks. As for why mine is checkered and yours isn't, I dunno. It's just impressed checkering anyway.

Is your mag release button really tiny? And what's that thing on the magwell just behind the mag button? It locks the slide open when I push it up, but it doesn't drop the slide when I push it down. Am I missing something? Does this carbine have a problem?

The mag release is pretty small. The other button you mention is the bolt stop. If you take the mag out and push the slide stop down the bolt will close. It won't release the bolt if you have a magazine in the gun.

Know any sources for aftermarket add-ons? As a sort of cult carbine, I would expect to see a lot of stuff out there to make it look mall-ninja like.

You'll have to do some hunting for aftermarket parts like stocks, etc. Sometimes I'll see the Muzzlelite bullpup conversions advertised in Shotgun News, but the Marlins were discontinued in 2001, IIRC, so there isn't a lot of stuff out there.

My suggestion is to zero it with the irons for backup, then slap a red dot sight on it, and have fun. The only other accessories I suggest are a sling and lots of .45 ACP.
 
VaughnT

It was so long ago I removed the mag safety I don't remember anything about it except it wasn't a problem to remove.

I got the spare buffers from Marlin but again that was a few years ago but they should still carry them. As I recall they were cheap, $5 or so.

My stock hasn't cracked.
The rifle has actually been in a safe, in the unheated barn for years. I just haven't gotten around to shooting it for years., but I got it out a couple months ago.

I haven't installed a stronger spring. Maybe that is the cause of the buffer falling apart.

I had a scope on it and recently installed a Red Dot. I've got to see what it will do with different ammo, when I can get to it.
 
Keep the info coming, guys.

I kinda reckon'ed that there wouldn't be much out there after a little searching turned up nothing of note. Sad to say, but I can live with improvised tacticality.

I'm definitely not leaving the weapon in the stock configuration, however. First step is going to treat the wood with something more durable so I can bang it around without wincing at every scratch and ding. I'm thinking I'll dilute some 2-ton epoxy with a 1:3 ratio of naptha and coat the entire stock several times; this is an old bowyer's trick that allows the epoxy to soak into the wood before hardening. After that's done, I'll do the outside in truck-bed liner for that durable, but tactical, look. :cool:

Sights? There has got to be a better sight available from someone. I'd even be willing to jerry-rig something meant for another gun. Maybe some picatinny rail on top of the receiver and an ACOG? Is that over the top? :D

Magazines? I'm thinking that the CMC 10-round power mags would look really good with this piece. There's something about those large plastic bases that matches. Can't really explain it.

Mag holder? Gotta be a six-pouch drop-leg panel, probably Bianchi Cobra. That's just too cool.

Another short section of weaver rail on the underside of the forestock will allow attachment of a weapon light, maybe an M3.

And lots and lots of bullets to shoot. This is going to be a very fun gun project.
 
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