Help me understand why I suck with this Glock 22

[1KPerDay]

10 yards offhand. Rounds hitting everywhere. Is it my eyes on the Ameriglo Pro I dot sights? Is it my trigger control? Is it my reloads?

I’m seriously baffled. I was shooting at a 12” plate at 18 yards, good sight alignment, nice slow smooth trigger press, and missing. “REALLY?!?” I said out loud.

something’s amiss.

here’s the G22 10 shots at 10 yards. RMR 155 RNFP over 5.6 W231. Should I try longer OAL? Should I just give up on Glocks?

these are at 1.125” IIRC.

 

[1KPerDay]

For reference and to eliminate the projectiles/reloads as the culprit I shot a following 10 round group with my Taurus PT100.

This group looks fine.
I don’t get it.

I feel I’m a reasonably competent shooter.

 

[JeffG]

It's not the gun. I don't think it's you... What does your expended brass look like? (smoky?) Does your bullet have a definite crimping grove? With W231, I am wondering if you have inconsistent ignition. My Glock 40's like 165 and 180 gr bullets and a load like 5.0 grs of Titegroup, and a significant crimp.

 

[Obturation]

How do you do with glocks other than this one? Took me a while to get right with the glock trigger.

 

[murf]

do your sights align back up when you bring the gun back out of recoil? if not, give it a bit more trigger finger and concentrate coming back with the sights aligned. the glock grip is much more "square" than most guns and can require a bit of a grip mod.

luck,

murf

 

[94045]

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10 yards offhand. Rounds hitting everywhere. Is it my eyes on the Ameriglo Pro I dot sights? Is it my trigger control? Is it my reloads?

I’m seriously baffled. I was shooting at a 12” plate at 18 yards, good sight alignment, nice slow smooth trigger press, and missing. “REALLY?!?” I said out loud.

something’s amiss.

here’s the G22 10 shots at 10 yards. RMR 155 RNFP over 5.6 W231. Should I try longer OAL? Should I just give up on Glocks?

these are at 1.125” IIRC.

I've heard it's a myth and I've heard it isn't but Lead Bullets out an OEM Glock Barrel?

 

[LiveLife]

G22 10 shots at 10 yards offhand. Rounds hitting everywhere.

No, I am seeing definite left to right dispersion, likely from input on trigger (push to left) and probably shooting fingers sympathetic movement with trigger finger pulling grip to the left/down.

Should I just give up on Glocks?

Try shooting natural point of aim.

Put a dot on COM and at 5 yards. Line up the sights on the dot and close your eyes and fire. Repeat several times to see where the POI are in relation to POA.

RMR 155 RNFP over 5.6 W231 ... 1.125". Should I try longer OAL?

When I shot USPSA with 155/165/180 gr FMJ FP bullets, I found I needed to push lighter 155 gr bullet near max for optimal accuracy. Hodgdon max is 6.0 gr at 1.125" and try 5.8 at 1.135" and see if accuracy improves.

My Glock 40's like 165 and 180 gr bullets

Mine too.

I've heard it's a myth and I've heard it isn't but Lead Bullets out an OEM Glock Barrel?

OP is likely shooting RMR plated bullets - https://www.rmrbullets.com/shop/bul...rmr-plated-round-nose-flat-point-bullets-new/

 

[1KPerDay]

Yes plated thx

 

[1KPerDay]

How do you do with glocks other than this one? Took me a while to get right with the glock trigger.

I dunno... I feel like I can hit what I shoot at usually. I have a G23 and a G19 and a G41 and a couple G30s. First time I shot the G41 was the IDPA classifier (old one) and I shot expert. *shrugs*

 

[1KPerDay]

It's not the gun. I don't think it's you... What does your expended brass look like? (smoky?) Does your bullet have a definite crimping grove? With W231, I am wondering if you have inconsistent ignition. My Glock 40's like 165 and 180 gr bullets and a load like 5.0 grs of Titegroup, and a significant crimp.

My crimp is not super huge; these are plated bullets with no cannelure.

 

[1KPerDay]

No, I am seeing definite left to right dispersion, likely from input on trigger (push to left) and probably shooting fingers sympathetic movement with trigger finger pulling grip to the left/down.

Yeah but what the heck is with those WAY UP to the left??

 

[1KPerDay]

do your sights align back up when you bring the gun back out of recoil? if not, give it a bit more trigger finger and concentrate coming back with the sights aligned. the glock grip is much more "square" than most guns and can require a bit of a grip mod.

luck,

murf

Would the sights not being aligned after recoil hurt accuracy in slow-fire shooting for groups? I'll try it...

 

[1KPerDay]

I found I needed to push lighter 155 gr bullet near max for optimal accuracy. Hodgdon max is 6.0 gr at 1.125" and try 5.8 at 1.135" and see if accuracy improves.

Will do. I'll just have to remember to shoot those only in this barrel, as anything over 1.125" won't plunk in the Taurus.

 

[LiveLife]

Yeah but what the heck is with those WAY UP to the left??

When I bought my last Glock 23, store staff got curious why I wanted to see so many pistols while watching the front sight. When I showed him how much the front sight jerked/jumped when the striker was released, he was shocked.

After dry firing several, I picked the one that moved the front sight the least. Recently, neighbor's girlfriend wanted a carry pistol and she shot all the pistols neighbor and I had in 9mm/40S&W/45ACP and she shot my G23 with factory ammo the most accurate, fast too (And my G22 has very worn smooth trigger too)

Dry fire several times while watching the front sight. If the front sight jumps/jerks, you may have found your answer. You can dry fire like 500-1000 times and see if the front sight stops jumping/jerking. And if it doesn't, you may need to polish or do a trigger job.

 

[1KPerDay]

I've done that thanks to your previous posts and this one doesn't jerk when dry-firing.

 

[LiveLife]

I've done that thanks to your previous posts and this one doesn't jerk when dry-firing.

Then I would have you shoot with your eyes closed focused on a dot at 5 yards.

If POI deviates from your POA, you have your answer.

Sent you a PM.

 

[1KPerDay]

Will do

 

[JeffG]

My crimp is not super huge; these are plated bullets with no cannelure.

I tried a box of plated non cannelure bullets recently in my 44 Vaquero. They gave me fits. All over the place with inconsistent crimp tension. Never again.

 

[Coal Dragger]

I would try different ammunition to start. If the gun still groups poorly then I would be suspicious of the barrel to slide fit. That is assuming your other Glocks turn in acceptable results and this is the one exception.

 

[rskent]

When I bought my last Glock 23, store staff got curious why I wanted to see so many pistols while watching the front sight. When I showed him how much the front sight jerked/jumped when the striker was released, he was shocked.

After dry firing several, I picked the one that moved the front sight the least. Recently, neighbor's girlfriend wanted a carry pistol and she shot all the pistols neighbor and I had in 9mm/40S&W/45ACP and she shot my G23 with factory ammo the most accurate, fast too (And my G22 has very worn smooth trigger too)

Dry fire several times while watching the front sight. If the front sight jumps/jerks, you may have found your answer. You can dry fire like 500-1000 times and see if the front sight stops jumping/jerking. And if it doesn't, you may need to polish or do a trigger job.

Ok, but what is making the muzzle jump? What can one do to correct a pistol whose muzzle is jumping? Are we talking about the trigger (or trigger finger) bottoming out on the frame when the striker drops? Are we talking about the trigger finger pushing the muzzle to one side, and when the striker is released the gun jumps the other way? In your opinion what’s going on inside the gun? In your opinion what is the actual cause?

 

[crestoncowboy]

A group that bad at 10 yards from a full size gun, slow fire, is either a terrible shooter simply not having the sights on when the trigger is pulled (or even close at 10 yards) or a mechanical issue. If the sights are aligned when the trigger breaks then a 10 yard group will be touching no matter what the shooter is doing. Im assuming it's not the first since you posted a decent group from another gun. It's unlikely ammo could get that bad. Tula will do far better and it's about as bad as I've ever found. Some ammo does better than others but not what we see here at 10 yards.

I have shot 10s of thousands of plated bullets in my G22s. (Multiple Glock 22s) xtreme and RMR mostly but over the years I've probably shot 30 different bullets from 155 grain up to 180 since people change designs and shortages come along. Probably 10 or more powders. Varied C.O.L. heavier crinp... no crimp. Hand weighed charges and single stage presses...dumped charges..... (And a few 135 and 200 just experimenting). Nowdays I just throw my brass in the collator after I shoot and use my progressive which doesnt get adjusted or changed. No special prep. No worries. And I routinely shoot good groups with 6 or more different 40s. I prefer the plated HP just because I feel it could be better on steel targets but all have been fine. I've also shot a good bit of lead. Find another Glock 22. They can be had for 269 for a gen 4 or 299 for a gen3. I wouldn't bother working on one chasing accuracy when I could get another for so little and just swap parts to see what helped and have a backup. I use 3.5 lb connectors in all my glocks but otherwise they are stock. My Glock 22s will group better than any 40 I own except my Sig 226. That's including my USP, 320, Beretta, 229.......

 

[LaneP]

This probably doesn't apply to your case but I bought a used Glock 22 Gen 2 and there was too much slop in the OEM Glock barrel with 25 yard groups from a bench between 4 and 6 inches.

I bought a Wilson match barrel that fits snug to the slide and it cut group sizes by more than half.

 

[guyfromohio]

That OP is the story of my Glock life. I have my Wilson G19’s rear sight so far right, you’d think I had a permanent kink in my neck. The G48 doesn’t do it as badly, but every 19, 17, and 26 hits left no matter how much I drift the sight. “It’s you, not the gun”.... really? Ask my other guns why their sights stay right in the middle.

 

[crestoncowboy]

Gen 2 and there was too much slop in the OEM Glock barrel with 25 yard groups from a bench between 4 and 6 inches.

Which is pretty bad. But realistically it's about 3 times better than what the op posted. Lol. That's what I was saying in my post. Missing a 12 inch target at 18 yards....or the pictured group which is 6 or maybe 8 inches at 10 yards at slow fire? That's a big mechanical issue or someone flinching and jerking (and I'm assuming that's not the issue since the other group is much better). No ammo is that bad. And for a gun to be that loose it would have to rattle when shook. Maybe a bad barrel. Maybe a really bad lockup (and I'm not sure a gun would function if that poorly fitted)

 

[crestoncowboy]

I have my Wilson G19’s rear sight so far right,

All my gun sights are perfectly centered except one. Numerous Sigs, Berettas, FNs and Glocks and they all hit right where I want.....but then I have a 229 that is drifted pretty far left (and the front is drifted a little too to keep the back from looking so bad). Idk why. And it shoots dead on out to 100 yard plates even though it's drifted so far. No matter what ammo. Makes me think something is wrong with it. I'm only at 500 or so rounds and was waiting to see what happened with it. My 220s and 226 and even my other 229 are dead center. Just the last one I bought is funky.