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I think we are getting warmer and why I asked the OP to shoot with his eyes closed to see how he may be influencing the POI away from POA.
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Help me understand why I suck with this Glock 22
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Time will tell soon enough.
No, you can not rule out ammo. The are a gazillion threads ( a lot of them yours) about finding the "right load for what a specific gun "likes"/
How many threads are there on say 22 lr and what gun likes what brand. How many threads are there on the best powder/bullet for XYZ gun??
Not saying it is or is not ammo, but it could be.
It's impossible to "diagnose" the issue on a forum without actually being there. Yes, there are many good ideas and possible causes but only the OP can figure it out.
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OP was concerned he got flyers at 10 o'clock shooting OFFHAND.
OP did not indicate whether the load was a known accurate load but when I shot USPSA, I used 155 gr FMJ FP with 5.8 gr W231/HP-38 at 1.135" which should be comparable to OP's 155 gr plated RNFP with 5.6 gr at 1.125" (And I did suggest trying 5.8 gr if using longer 1.135" OAL)
OP is a proficient match shooter and fully expected tighter group at 10 yard (Heck, that's a common USPSA double tap distance) so the ammo was verified using another pistol.
And verified ammo with shooting another pistol and got tight group
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OP was concerned he got flyers at 10 o'clock shooting OFFHAND.
OP did not indicate whether the load was a known accurate load but when I shot USPSA, I used 155 gr FMJ FP with 5.8 gr W231/HP-38 at 1.135" which should be comparable to OP's 155 gr plated RNFP with 5.6 gr at 1.125" (And I did suggest trying 5.8 gr if using longer 1.135" OAL)
OP is a proficient match shooter and fully expected tighter group at 10 yard (Heck, that's a common USPSA double tap distance) so the ammo was verified using another pistol.
And verified ammo with shooting another pistol and got tight group
Proves NOTHING
Different gun, different day different phase of the Moon.
!0 shots is that a valid statistical measurement as so many like to debate?
Whatever.
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So OP should do some more shooting with Glock.
Which I suggested.
Which I suggested.
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Next steps is to shoot from a bench and shoot some with eyes closed (private, locked range) to try to diagnose POA deviations
thanks folks!
thanks folks!
Shooting blindfolded or eyes closed is always the best "excuse" better than Sun in my eyes!
Spend the money and replace the whole trigger. Or at lease put a better lighter connector (cheap)
There is a reason why there are SO many many replacement parts for Glocks. From the factory they are fine service guns. The work and reliable. Their triggers are not the best for target accuracy. The debate of course goes on and on. But companies sell a heck of a lot of after market "parts"
I shoot a custom CZ 9mm. I could hit squat with my G19. I bit the bullet and replace the WHOLE trigger. Totally different gun now. Hated to spend the money and swore I wouldn't. Either that or get rid of it.
https://www.gunmann.com/glock-connectors/
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i actually have a Zev pro trigger set on the way. Got it cheap figured I’d try it.Shooting blindfolded or eyes closed is always the best "excuse" better than Sun in my eyes!
Spend the money and replace the whole trigger. Or at lease put a better lighter connector (cheap)
There is a reason why there are SO many many replacement parts for Glocks. From the factory they are fine service guns. The work and reliable. Their triggers are not the best for target accuracy. The debate of course goes on and on. But companies sell a heck of a lot of after market "parts"
I shoot a custom CZ 9mm. I could hit squat with my G19. I bit the bullet and replace the WHOLE trigger. Totally different gun now. Hated to spend the money and swore I wouldn't. Either that or get rid of it.
https://www.gunmann.com/glock-connectors/
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Re-do with some factory ammo. Pay attention to the fundamentals.
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But missing a 12 inch target at 18 yards? And 6 or 8 inch groups at 10 slow fire? We arent talking mastering per se. To shoot a group larger than 12 inches at 18 yards for a decent shooter slow fire with no pressure is not a typical bad trigger/eye dominance/breath control/ etc. Its broken fundamentals or a broken gun. Most of the bigger steel I see is 12x20 and we shoot it moving and timed and even then misses are rare enough. The sorriest shooting, desk jockey officers have qualified with Glock 22s every year. The FBI has their qualifications posted everywhere and many FBI agents pass that with Glocks. Even with drawing and time limitations (although usually pretty lax) any misses are a DQ here at least. Our county department actually issued the G22 to officers who couldn't pass with the Glock 21. We are currently going to a 9 so all that is irrelevant now. No mainstream duty gun would be issued if it were that mechanically inaccurate.
Perhaps the OP got one with a 12 lb (ny) trigger? I've never actually seen one but I'm sure they could cause accuracy issues?
I have never messed with the Taurus like the op posted but I have a few of the beretta 92/96s . They are considerably bigger in the grip than a glock 22. The main complaint about the beretta 92 in the armed forces was grip size.
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It's a standard G22 trigger and measures about 6.5 lb on my Lyman gauge measured in the center of the trigger. I have put more rounds on it with the one that was in it when I got it, which was a G19 style grooved trigger. So that bar may be a bit more polished but they feel pretty much the same to me, break-wise.
I do want to try a minus connector but can't find one anywhere.
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Do you wear boxers or briefs?
Please don't say "depends".
Please don't say "depends".
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I do use a 3.5 in every glock I use (17, 20 22,27,29 all gen 1-3) ,. Either Ghost, Zev, or Glock. As far as polishing up I cant tell any difference in my oldest 17 that has a few hundred rounds through it total and my main Glock 22 with 10s of thousands.
I've also used the whole Zev spring/striker kit in a 10mm but didnt think the improvement was noticeable so I went back to all standard parts plus the 3.5 lb connector. The Glock 3.5 lb trigger IMO is perfectly capable. Better than any DA I have but worse than the worst SA. I use my 10mm as a hunting gun and routinely shoot it at 100 yards.
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I tried the Ghost 3.5 and in my pistols it moves the break point further back and reduces overtravel, and there is less of a discernible "wall"... it just rolls through. Reduces trigger weight to about 5 lbs in the center of the trigger or 3.75" at the tip. I don't like the less defined wall though and it's up for trade for a factory minus connector if I can get any takers.
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Is it happy hour already?
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Yup.
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Threw the Zev in tonight and so far if feels crappy. Haven’t shot it yet but it feels more stagey and creepy, with the initial take up much rougher. I haven’t swapped the striker spring or anything else, just the trigger/bar and the trigger housing and connector. The actual trigger feels good with a wider face and it’s flat also, which I’m not sure I like but if it helps me shoot straight I’ll live with it.
If anything it feels heavier than stock.
If anything it feels heavier than stock.
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Not that this tells us much other than I can’t shoot this pistol but I shot a quick 10 rounds with the Zev trigger. This is 165 powerbond over 5.2 W231. I ran out of my other load. I am on my way to the store to get some factory to try. And I will shoot some groups from the bench. This has to be me And the way I am seeing the sights or rather not seeing the sights properly or something. Plus something to do with how I manage the trigger. I will do the other point shooting and point of aim/impact exercises as well when I get a minute.
Zev measures 6.5ish pounds in the center and 5.1 lbs at the tip. Not a fan so far. Plus the safety pinches my trigger finger.
Zev measures 6.5ish pounds in the center and 5.1 lbs at the tip. Not a fan so far. Plus the safety pinches my trigger finger.
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The first shot was an x by the way.
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I am still inclined to believe I see affects of trigger/grip pushing POI to the left and down from POA. Dry fire while watching the front sight and quickly press the trigger - Do you see the front sight move to the left and down?
Now, dry fire with your third finger with index finger along the frame. Even shooting fast, you should notice the front sight being more steady. If this is the case, I would try shooting with third finger and see if you duplicate the POI deviating to left/down from POA. If you get a tighter group at POA, you are causing POI deviation from POA.
BTW, 165 gr FMJ/JHP with 5.0-5.2 gr of W231/HP-38 was one of my USPSA match loads. Pretty accurate load.
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