Jim March
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I wasn't aware of the code sections Lawdog cited. That flips my vote to citizenship if he wants it, financial aid if he stays there.
Help Mohammed !!
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MeekandMild
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I agree. American citizenship is great, but this fellow is a potential leader in his own country.
Frohickey
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Requirements of citizenship are not specified in the US Constitution or the Bill of Rights. These are specified by legislation.
As to the 5 year period, for application to be a citizen, to becoming a citizen. Its not a waiting period. Its a period of time to give the applicant an opportunity to discover what it really is to be an American. As it is, there are some in the US that call themselves American, but are anything but!
Give the man the opportunity to immigrate to the United States, if he wants to. No instant citizenship. Heck, there should be no instant citizenship for babies that are born in the US by illegal aliens from Mexico and Canada, and others.
As to the 5 year period, for application to be a citizen, to becoming a citizen. Its not a waiting period. Its a period of time to give the applicant an opportunity to discover what it really is to be an American. As it is, there are some in the US that call themselves American, but are anything but!
Give the man the opportunity to immigrate to the United States, if he wants to. No instant citizenship. Heck, there should be no instant citizenship for babies that are born in the US by illegal aliens from Mexico and Canada, and others.
The least we can do is bring him over if he wants it. This would solve most of his potential problems (like folks who don't like Americans chopping him up like a certain Shia cleric who went back in to help our guys out). Citizenship can come later.
I'm still waiting for us to stabilize Afghanistan with some bucks to keep it from becoming another al-Qaeda summercamp and dude ranch again. Also taking bets on how long it will be before we sell out the Kurds... again (our third time in about 30 years).
I'm still waiting for us to stabilize Afghanistan with some bucks to keep it from becoming another al-Qaeda summercamp and dude ranch again. Also taking bets on how long it will be before we sell out the Kurds... again (our third time in about 30 years).
Ebbtide
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I will say that are plenty of U.S. service members in Iraq serving our country without U.S. citizenship of their own (I think one of them was a POW).
These folks shoulds go to the head of the line. As far as someone walking six miles to save a life, although brave and couragous, I think everyone on Thehighroad would do the same.
Mohamed can wait his turn like everyone else, then get a rubber stamp.
These folks shoulds go to the head of the line. As far as someone walking six miles to save a life, although brave and couragous, I think everyone on Thehighroad would do the same.
Mohamed can wait his turn like everyone else, then get a rubber stamp.
"I think everyone on Thehighroad would do the same."
Are ya SURE about that? I don't know that I would have.
Risk nothing and go live my life OR save a complete stranger and risk the likelyhood that my wife gets raped while I watch, then my kids and myself are shot in the back of the head?
I don't think anyone can say for sure that they would have done the same thing in his situation.
Are ya SURE about that? I don't know that I would have.
Risk nothing and go live my life OR save a complete stranger and risk the likelyhood that my wife gets raped while I watch, then my kids and myself are shot in the back of the head?
I don't think anyone can say for sure that they would have done the same thing in his situation.
Frohickey
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Servicemembers can be citizens after 2 years of applying for citizenship, while they are serving.
Normally, its 5 years after applying for citizenship for civilians.
If Mohammed wants to, he can immigrate to the US. Citizenship requires time to properly understand and take in American culture, language and customs.
Normally, its 5 years after applying for citizenship for civilians.
If Mohammed wants to, he can immigrate to the US. Citizenship requires time to properly understand and take in American culture, language and customs.
TexasVet
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Are we going to grant citizenship to everyone who ever risks anything to help us?
"anything" - No, and no one remotely suggested that, so I don't know where you pulled that out of. But for someone who risked his LIFE to help save a wounded soldier? Not just once, but multiple times? Hell yes!
"anything" - No, and no one remotely suggested that, so I don't know where you pulled that out of. But for someone who risked his LIFE to help save a wounded soldier? Not just once, but multiple times? Hell yes!
Lone_Gunman
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Ok, so Mohammed potentially saved the life of a US Soldier, and that is a good and wonderful thing, so lets let him come to the USA...
but,
Every Iraqi soldier who surrendered also potentially saved the life of a US Soldier. Do they all get to come here too?
Philosophically what is the difference?
Please don't get me wrong here, I am not trying to minimize the good that Mohammed did, and I certainly am not trying to trivialize the release of the soldier. Iraq would be a better place if there were more men there like him.
but,
Every Iraqi soldier who surrendered also potentially saved the life of a US Soldier. Do they all get to come here too?
Philosophically what is the difference?
Please don't get me wrong here, I am not trying to minimize the good that Mohammed did, and I certainly am not trying to trivialize the release of the soldier. Iraq would be a better place if there were more men there like him.
publius
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I agree with Bonker. Many would not have taken the chances Mohammed did. An Iraqi soldier throwing down his rifle when Marines approach is pretty easy to understand.
This was an Iraqi lawyer, who very likely could have just laid low and let the battle between his government and ours go on without much disruption in his life.
Instead, he risked sneaking away to find US troops. He stood a good chance of experiencing, along with his family, the wrath of the Iraqi regime. He walked for miles (I'm saying that excludes most netizens right there), and he approached some very nervous US soldiers, an inherently dangerous activity. Then he snuck back past the Iraqis. Then he did it all again, and again, from what I understand. 3 separate, heroic, exhausting, extremely dangerous walks through the night in a war zone, by a man who really didn't have to do the first one. I just don't see how that's the same thing as surrendering.
This was an Iraqi lawyer, who very likely could have just laid low and let the battle between his government and ours go on without much disruption in his life.
Instead, he risked sneaking away to find US troops. He stood a good chance of experiencing, along with his family, the wrath of the Iraqi regime. He walked for miles (I'm saying that excludes most netizens right there), and he approached some very nervous US soldiers, an inherently dangerous activity. Then he snuck back past the Iraqis. Then he did it all again, and again, from what I understand. 3 separate, heroic, exhausting, extremely dangerous walks through the night in a war zone, by a man who really didn't have to do the first one. I just don't see how that's the same thing as surrendering.
Lone_Gunman wrote:
Yes, and all others (especially stupid liberal celebrities) should be shipped to.... France.
If he want's citizenship, IMHO he should get it, but through normal channels. (but be allowed special help in order to acheive it)
I also agree, he would be a asset to the new Iraq.
Lone_Gunman,
Let's just assume that Mo' didn't originally raise a gun against a soldier? The soldiers did what they did moreso to save their own skins after taking arms.
Mo actively did what he did, knowing that more than just his own self was in danger.
That would be the difference.
Certainly, if there were more people like him in Iraq, we may not have had a problem to begin with.
How many others knew that Lynch was at that location and did bubkis about it?
Yes, and all others (especially stupid liberal celebrities) should be shipped to.... France.
If he want's citizenship, IMHO he should get it, but through normal channels. (but be allowed special help in order to acheive it)
I also agree, he would be a asset to the new Iraq.
Lone_Gunman,
Let's just assume that Mo' didn't originally raise a gun against a soldier? The soldiers did what they did moreso to save their own skins after taking arms.
Mo actively did what he did, knowing that more than just his own self was in danger.
That would be the difference.
Certainly, if there were more people like him in Iraq, we may not have had a problem to begin with.
How many others knew that Lynch was at that location and did bubkis about it?
TexasVet
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Every Iraqi soldier who surrendered also potentially saved the life of a US Soldier. Do they all get to come here too?
Philosophically what is the difference?
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You have to be kidding, right? You're playing philosophy games when we are talking about a man risking his life? Give me a break. There is a real world out there that cares nothing for "philosophical differences". Most of us live in it. I'll guarantee nothing in a war zone cares about them.
Philosophically what is the difference?
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You have to be kidding, right? You're playing philosophy games when we are talking about a man risking his life? Give me a break. There is a real world out there that cares nothing for "philosophical differences". Most of us live in it. I'll guarantee nothing in a war zone cares about them.
3 gun
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As a side note, the guy who started this was a member of TFL. I don't know if he came over to THR. I wonder if he's lurking now?
I think he should get a hand, rubber stamp the green card or such, but he should have to complete the other steps to become a citizen.
I think he should get a hand, rubber stamp the green card or such, but he should have to complete the other steps to become a citizen.
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