Highjacking Dry Run?

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Someone that witnessed terrorist activity should contact the FBI instead of sending out "chain-letter" emails. There is plenty of actual danger in the world to worry about instead of wasting time with this nonsense.
 
Here's another report on this incident:

http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2009/12/possible-terrorist-dry-run.html

SOMETHING's going on here . . . YOU be the judge . . .

. . . the Sean Linnane email box has been going hog-wild all day . . . multiple sources have brought this issue to my attention:


A chilling first-person account of the real reason Airtran Flight 297’s Atlanta-Houston leg, canceled last Tuesday:


Monday, November 30, 2009

This has been a subject of discussion amongst a few of us for a couple of weeks. The person's account below is known to three of our group, and he is NOT a whiner or complainer...

He's an ex-Navy diver, working for a government organization; he has traveled extensively world-wide. This is his account of what happened on Flight 297 on the taxiway and at the gate in Atlanta . . .


One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.

This was NOT what happened.

I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.

The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back aisle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now . . . they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me . . . I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied).

The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said "Shut up infidel dog!" She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say "I got your back." I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said "You WILL go sit down or you WILL be thrown from this plane!"

As I 'led' him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, "You WILL do the same!" He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.

We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent "We and our crew will not fly this plane!" After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.

Again . . . this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked "What the hell is going on!?!?" I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said "I’m getting off this plane". The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said "I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!" And I heard a voice behind me say "So am I".

Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was canceled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.

Look up the date. Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston.

If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.

I’m telling this to you because I want you to know . . .

The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes . . .

-Tedd



Another first-person account from Dr. Keith A. Robinson, a chaplain from Houston, is equally chilling:



This incredible incident is being squashed. (You may recall a similar test run occurred on a flight some eighteen months ago.) It’s the kind of bureaucratic cover up that led to the Muslim’s slaughter of innocent soldiers at Fort Hood.

An internet search shows that the squashing is being effective.

The Atlanta J-C simply repeats the official line.

The real story needs to get out . . . .


OK Heroes here's the STORMBRINGER take on this latest madness . . .

If this is a "Terrorist Dry Run" (and I don't preclude anything these days) it makes no sense from an operational point of view.

Consider: the LAST thing a terrorist outfit going into the final operational stage wants to do is DRAW ATTENTION to themselves. They have a mission to accomplish, and will conduct themselves with an intensity & focus like a professional military organization.

To draw attention to themselves like this would be counter-productive, as events demonstrated.

My instincts tell me that these Arabs were idiots, lacking any sense of situational awareness . . .

. . . that is not to say that the way Diver Dan and the Texan conducted themselves was in any way incorrect or wrong - I applaud their rising to the situation, as I maintain that we are STILL under attack, as much as we were in the days and months leading to Sept. 11th, 2001 - and we must remain ever vigilant.
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I don't know that I go along with secret plans to Islamize America. After all I "HEARD" that Ben Laden said he wanted to see the Muslim flag flying over the White House & Capital. Personally I don't feel it's a secret that these fanatics have a problem with the USA and will hit US whenever & wherever possible. Although they haven't been able to do so for quite some time despit claims that as soon as President Obama took office, we would be hit. But forgive me for digressing.
This talk about the terrorists having had training flights arranged is true. Fact is that actor James Woods was on a flight with these murders prior to 911. He even reported it to local officials as well as FBI. Sadly in every instance they did nothing. Woods has talked about this experience openly & freely on interview shows as well as on news programs. If you want to get the truth do a search with "James Woods - terrorist flights" and read what he has said and to this day believes. They did conduct dry runs in preparation for 911 and only GOD knows how many times they conducted these rehearsals.
For all we know they are practicing for another event but I hope & pray NOT! I heard it said that eveil will prevail when good men do nothing. On 911 good men didn't do enough. Today many good men & women are doing something.
 
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"This was NOT what happened."

Why go in great detail to tell what didnt happen, and say nothing about what did happen?
 
Dear bigfatdave,
Thanks for the respect of an opinion that you don't agree with.

"Good job, we've been terrorized and changed our way of life, thanks to a small minority within one of many violent religions we now fear any hint of Islam in the slightest bit of odd activity, and blow stories out of proportion to the point of imagining vast conspiracies."

One of the many violent religions? Mass murdering Orthodox Greeks? Suicide bombing Mennonites? Orthox Jews that saw peoples head off while chanting to their "god"?
Thanks for your input.

Back on topic, this is a legitimate scenario.
Flight 93 was taken down before it did further damage by unarmed civilians on board. richard reid, the "shoe bomber" was subdued by unarmed passengers. They all had situational awareness and somebody took the lead.
Yeah, I think that's it's legitimate to look at an islamic/arab/indonesian/black nation of islam or a blonde hair white guy who's doing the muslim thing with the stink eye if he gets confrontational on a plane.
 
What would you do if you were in this situation?
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Plane is on the ground, passenger won't get off his cell phone, and the pilot decides to taxi back to the jetway? If no one's in imminent danger, I sit in my seat, stay alert, and be a good witness.

What does this have to do with firearms? Let alone, "Strategies and Tactics".
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Strategies and Tactics is devoted to taking precautions in order to live life safely. Guns are tools, or hardware. Strategies and tactics encompasses plans, training, attitudes, and techniques, or software. A topic need not be gun specific to fall into the strategies and tactics category.

Z-Michigan, how did that "source" you posted manage to ascertain all that went on from the front cabin? How did he know who the man in first class was talking to, or what was said to the flight attendant in the back?

My quick assessment of this is that if it was a dry run, it as a crappy one. I maintain that no plane-load of Americans will stand for a highjacking post 9/11. Not going to go into to much more detail about "if I were them," but use your own imagination. There's a lot juicier, less guarded places to strike. Kamikaze airliners are old-hat in the terrorist handbook now. Whatever else I think of this particular breed of enemy, I don't consider them stupid, and I credit them with being more creative in their caniving. Further, if you read the fatwas that UBL put out, he's already accomplished his goal. Killing Americans was not the end-state. Rather, it was a means to an end that would establish a culture of fear to overpower the symbolic facets of our American society. The evidence would suggest he's been met with some success.
 
There's a lot juicier, less guarded places to strike. Kamikaze airliners are old-hat in the terrorist handbook now.
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Yep. Like the sheep all clumped up waiting to take their shoes off and run them through the metal detector before being allowed to go into the terminal with <3 ounces of liquid.
Or the crowds of people standing around waiting for their baggage after reaching a destination.
Or the pitiful security at sporting events.
Or a simple traffic jam and IEDs.
Or for some real religion-motivated terror, I bet a scary mooslim could get a bomb into a church, no security or metal detectors there!

Seriously, can we stop being terrorized? People are jumping at their own shadows whenever there might be a plane/airport involved, and taking no precautions in their daily lives. If the .gov can pass off the TSA as a solution, the danger must not really be all that immediate. I don't think forwarding spam E-Mail (or posting it on public forums) is doing much to stop terrorists, but it sure is giving them a sense of accomplishment!


Eagles6:
How about the so-called "christians" who murder doctors for performing a legal procedure in a professional setting?
How about the queer-stompers who generally claim they are justified because of old testament passages?
I assume you can't even take a moment to think of the Crusades.

Any group of people who believe in invisible all-powerful beings are closer to becomong a mob than a crowd or rational/logical thinkers. ALL religions are irrational, persecuting one in particular is ineffective, bigoted, and just stupid. So yes, I will mock your fear of Islam openly, because it displays a great deal of ignorance on your part, and perhaps you will hesitate in the future when you are condemning a whole culture for the acts of a few isolated extremists.
 
Z-Michigan, how did that "source" you posted manage to ascertain all that went on from the front cabin? How did he know who the man in first class was talking to, or what was said to the flight attendant in the back?
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I posted my "source" without comment for a reason. It's up to you to decide how much weight to give this report. I wasn't there and don't know any more than what is written here.

It seems to me that the fundamental question is what really happened. If it happened as described in the various emails, I think it's nearly certain that it was some sort of "dry run" or perhaps at least to cow the airlines into tolerating intolerable behavior. OTOH if it happened as described in the airline's press release, it may have been a simple minor incident unrelated to terrorism. Anyone have a way to discern the real facts?
 
brownsfan,
Think I'll keep this on topic and not engage the insults of bigfatdave.

According to air tran, they deny any altercation but do admit that the muslims were taken off, questioned and allowed to reboard, 12 passengers refused to fly on that flight and the crew had to be swapped. Sure looks like something more than a non-English speaker on a cell phone.

I believe it was a test or intimidation as other dry runs have occurred. Since you can't have weapons on the flight one has to be aware of what's going on and hopefully action will be taken on the ground, as it was here, rather than after the flight is in the air.

A lot is going to depend on the mind set of the flight crew. If they are intimidated and afraid of losing their jobs they very well may ignore things that they would ordinarily not.

One idea might be to have the phone number of the security desk at that airport handy, just in case. Obviously this is a judgment call but if it appears that things are getting out of control and the flight crew cannot or will not act then call. Remember that some of the passengers on the 9/11 flights did call authorities.

Obviously calling security from the plane is a very serious matter and will no doubt result in serious consequences if done for any flippant reason, most probably would be handled similar to a bomb threat.
 
I believe it was a test or intimidation as other dry runs have occurred. Since you can't have weapons on the flight one has to be aware of what's going on and hopefully action will be taken on the ground, as it was here, rather than after the flight is in the air.
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Also a good reason to learn some form of martial arts. And while this is basically repeating what you and others have said, situational awareness is essential.

A lot is going to depend on the mind set of the flight crew. If they are intimidated and afraid of losing their jobs they very well may ignore things that they would ordinarily not.
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I think that nearly all airline pilots are unionized and unlikely to be at risk of being fired for their actions unless they violate FAA rules. Sure, airline pilots can be laid off easily, but that would generally not relate to one's actions on a particular flight.

I am quite worried about the various lawsuits noted having the effect of causing airlines to ignore apparent threats. For decades airlines have been the biggest problem with airline security, with the Pan Am 103 disaster being a stark example of security theater (e.g. pound puppies walked around by untrained personnel being portrayed as bomb sniffing teams - IIRC these airline employees or contractors).
 
I am quite worried about the various lawsuits noted having the effect of causing airlines to ignore apparent threats.
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Z-Michigan-I believe that is their plan. CAIR remains at the forefront of these lawsuits despite them being named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror funding case.

BrownsFan,
You have a serious, legitimate issue and it deserves to be discussed in a serious fashion.
 
Obviously there's a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration that's arisen out of the incident. The folks at Snopes--incidentally, more often than not described as somewhat right-leaning--did a pretty good job of describing what facts are actually known.

The description posted by the OP probably contains a good deal of exaggeration (the author of the original email admitted that he "took artistic license" with some of the facts), but it's still reasonable to discuss what one would do in an actual hijacking situation.

First, you need to notify the cabin crew as soon as you suspect something and you must do so in no uncertain terms: "The guy in 12C has a knife. I suspect he is a hijacker." If you're on the ground, you should make every attempt to ensure that the flight crew is notified and does not take off. Cell phone to 9-1-1 . . . or whatever is necessary.

Assuming that a hijacking is under way, you should attempt to make contact with the authorities and also ensure that the cabin crew knows what's happening. If you can discretely make your way to a crew phone, that's probably your best bet. Cell phones are likely not to work, or will be spotty in their coverage.

The most important thing, a lesson learned from 9/11, is that it will be up to the cabin crew and passengers to defend the cockpit. The only thing you'll have at your disposal is what you can improvise, and you should recognize that there's a high likelihood that you'll die in the effort. Success is defined by denying the hijackers their objective, not necessarily by your personal survival.

It's reasonable to conclude that the creeps are constantly conducting surveillances and tests of TSA and the airlines. If you have the slightest suspicion that you see something like this happening, report it immediately to TSA, the cops or the crew. Don't let it slide or second-guess yourself.
 
Some more here:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/21890438/detail.html
Watch the video.
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Watched the video - http://www.wsbtv.com/video/21890485/index.html Funny how the guy in the video claims to be former law enforcement and in security and opted to continue the flight with all but two of the supposed potential hijackers.

He also claims that with fewer passengers on the plane that if the plane was hijacked, they could better control the situation. What?

Of course, he doesn't think this was a dry run either. He just thinks it was a cultural problem.

I don't know. I don't think I would continue on a flight where I thought the people might be hijackers. He obviously did and was working on a plan for it even though he had the option to get off the plane.

Sorry, he just seems to be a series of contradictions.
 
The naivete of some folks never ceases to amaze me. The general sheepishness of Americans is what allowed 9/11/01 to happen in the first place. It is why we have a Muslim as the POTUS and it is why the general population has no idea about the Gen4 Warfare that is sapping our once great country of freedom and prosperity the founders fought for. Come on, people wake up and smell the s***.
 
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