Hodgdon Superformance in a 30-30 cartridge

[Dudemeister]

I have some 30-30 cartridges I want to reload with Hornady Interlock 170gr. JFP. However, the only powder I can find at my local store is the Hornady/Hodgdon Superformance, and I can't find ANY load data for this powder and cartridge.

Does anyone have any data for this, or this particular powder mostly useless.

Thanks in advance.

 

[morcey2]

Superformance is a powder that fills a very small niche. It's supposed to be great in that little world of cartridges but not great outside of that. It's way too slow burning for 30-30 as it's in the 4831 range in terms of burn rate. So it's not useless, it just doesn't work for your current needs.

Matt

 

[243winxb]

Superformance

Has a slower burn rate then a compressed load of LEVEREVOLUTION, Hodgdons slowest powder used in the 30-30 @ 36.3 grs. for a 170gr.

Velocity would be low using Superformance, may not burn clean, may produce squibs.

Superformance- Not a good choice or usable in the 30-30.

No data.

 

[stringnut]

Just because it is a rifle powder doesn't mean it will work in every rifle. Too slow and you have issues described by 243winxb. Too fast and you can end up with a Pse (pieces spraying everywhere) situation.

 

[Dudemeister]

Thanks guys.

I'll have to find something else then. Most of the gun shops in my neck of the woods simply don't cater to reloaders. May have to wait for the next gun show to get some powder.

 

[Bandit67]

In the next few weeks I'll be working up a load with the Hornady 170s using Varget. I found a great shooting load with 150s using it so I thought I'd give it a try. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[Buck13]

Thanks guys.

I'll have to find something else then. Most of the gun shops in my neck of the woods simply don't cater to reloaders. May have to wait for the next gun show to get some powder.

Did you look online to see if any of the big retailers are doing "no hazmat fee" promotions? I got a bunch of powder that way once from Powder Valley, and I've seen Midway do them.

Who else has that deal sometimes?

 

[Patocazador]

Thanks guys.

I'll have to find something else then. Most of the gun shops in my neck of the woods simply don't cater to reloaders. May have to wait for the next gun show to get some powder.

Graf's only charges a $10 HazMat fee. I order most of my powder from them. It's cheaper than buying alternate powders locally.

 

[Ireload2]

Hodgdon needs to change the name of Superformance or discontinue it. Many newbies think it is the powder used in ALL Hornady Superformance ammo.

 

[LoonWulf]

Hodgdon needs to change the name of Superformance or discontinue it. Many newbies think it is the powder used in ALL Hornady Superformance ammo.

Well i hope they change the name then, cause its duh BEEZ NEEZ in a bunch of cartridges i shoot....Basically anything the 4831s almost work in but run out of capacity.
It also dosent like being run at low pressure, it seems to come alive right up near the top of load ranges for modern cartridges.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

As most of us know Superformance was developed for the super short magnum cartridges to eliminate compressed loads. When used as intended it does a great job but only when it's in it's lane.

I tested it in the 30-06, and while velocity was slightly higher with Superform accuracy did not match the loads I built with 4350.

 

[Ireload2]

I have no problem with the propellant though I have never used it. However newbies are convinced it is used in everything from the .223 to the .444 Marlin just because Hornady used the same name for a line of premium ammo.
If you understand burning rates you might understand why one newbie griped because he only got 1500 fps with a case full in a .444 Marlin.

 

[Dudedog]

Looks like the OP checked and didn't see any load data so he asked to verify, reasonable course of action IMO.

Off thread but

one newbie griped because he only got 1500 fps with a case full in a .444 Marlin.

I wonder where this new reloader got data for it in 444 Marlin that said a case full!
New reloaders should be using published data to start, very bad to be stepping outside the lines unless you have some experience and know what you are doing.
They should be checking a manual or two or the powder makers web site.
If they can't do that then they shouldn't load with out data.

A name is just a name CFE-223 is not for just .223 and of course for example IMR4831 and H4831 are not the same.
If we want to pick on names what about Reloader 17 hmmm, must be for .17 cal, Reloader 22 must be for .22 cal, nope sorry.
Should we expect Alliant to change the names or Hodgdon or IMR to change the numbers or stop making the powder?

As adults we have to have some responsibility for our actions/decisions or at least we used to, I don't know where things are headed currently, seems the current trend is to blame everything
on someone else.

Still surprised they haven't required warning labels on knives.
Don't stick you finger under this when cutting.......

 

[Ireload2]

The NEWBIE .444 reloader was annoyed because he could find no data so he just started low and worked up to a full case. All of that because he thought all Hornady Superformance ammo used Hodgdon Superformance powder.

You can preach about names and what newbies coulda shoulda woulda but when you have a propellant name the same as a premium line of ammo there are people that imagine associations when there is none. In spite of your opinions it really happened and I bet it will continue to happen.
You can see human wanting to believe conspiracy theories the same way.

Looks like the OP checked and didn't see any load data so he asked to verify, reasonable course of action IMO.

Off thread but

I wonder where this new reloader got data for it in 444 Marlin that said a case full!
New reloaders should be using published data to start, very bad to be stepping outside the lines unless you have some experience and know what you are doing.
They should be checking a manual or two or the powder makers web site.
If they can't do that then they shouldn't load with out data.

A name is just a name CFE-223 is not for just .223 and of course for example IMR4831 and H4831 are not the same.
If we want to pick on names what about Reloader 17 hmmm, must be for .17 cal, Reloader 22 must be for .22 cal, nope sorry.
Should we expect Alliant to change the names or Hodgdon or IMR to change the numbers or stop making the powder?

As adults we have to have some responsibility for our actions/decisions or at least we used to, I don't know where things are headed currently, seems the current trend is to blame everything
on someone else.

Still surprised they haven't required warning labels on knives.
Don't stick you finger under this when cutting.......

 

[LoonWulf]

Heheheh....I wonder how many times the guys on the phones at hodgdon (and hornady) cursed the marketers who came up with the name........
And yes people will continue to call both companies, and ask in forums, gun shops, shooting ranges, where ever handloaders might congregate cause well...thats kinda what people do, especially with how confusing reloading, well pretty much anything cartridge related is named.

I just had a conversation with my FIL about using data for H4831 and IMR4831 interchangeably. Hes been loading for 30+ years, but now the H is more available than the IMR he normally bought. So guess what, he loaded up a bunch of rounds using the same data for the H version. He never loads anywhere near max, dosent care, so its fine, but he didnt know there was a difference.

Dont even get me started on the 4895s, and 4350s...or h335 and 748, or h....never mind

 

[frankmako]

i use the 30-30 in nra lever action silhouette matches. i use varget with a 125 gr and 170 gr bullets. varget is my go to powder now in all my bigbore silhouette rifles, i.e. 30-30, 308, 7-08, and 30-06. it use to be 4895 but i have found varget to be just a little bit better.

 

[Dudedog]

The OP here did decide to do some research and didn't have problem with Superformance, he found out it was not a good choice.
Looks like he got some good answers in less than a hour.
I don't see him saying it's name should be changed.

Off thread and I will leave at this and stay on THR.

The NEWBIE .444 reloader was annoyed because he could find no data so he just started low and worked up to a full case

Annoyed because there was no data....
Wow, I hope that person does not get annoyed having to weigh powder charges or waiting for people down range to get back across the firing line.
If researching reloading data is an annoyance he probably should give up reloading, lots of us find researching data fun and entertaining.

All of that because he thought all Hornady Superformance ammo used Hodgdon Superformance powder.

All of that because the new .444 reloader didn't think it was necessary to do basic research, like check a reloading manual, consult the powder makers web site, inquire on a reloading forum, or do some internet research..
Glad he wasn't trying to shoot the Bullseye in a target and tried say 1/2 case of Bullseye, or uses his .444 for steel silhouettes and decided 1/2 a case of Silhouette would be a good place to start.

Ramshot makes/sells a powder called Magnum should I expect them to change the name because it would not work well in .357 magnum?
Lots of ammo says Magnum on the box does that mean Ramshot Magnum is used in all magnum ammo?

As a side note I have seen kids playing break windows in the past, some of them said, "it was my fault" (even thought they were quite young), some of them were well why did you put a window there.
When the second ones are adults having to pay to fix a window they will probably want baseballs banned because of the it has to be somebody else's fault line of "reasoning"
There will always be people who accept responsibility for their actions and those who choose to blame it on someone else, and want things changed because it is someone else's "fault"

The whole idea that's it's Hodgon's fault for the powder name just seems to indicate a basic lack of accepting responsibility to me.
If your not willing to accept responsibility you probably should not be reloading or shooting in the first place.

For example if I am at the range after a line break and the RO says the range is clear, I would never fire until I scanned the range, in the end I am responsible for my shot not someone else.

 

[Ireload2]

Where did he get good answers? All he got were our comments and the LACK OF DATA.
The lack of data was all the newbie got.
The OP came here looking for answers when he tried to use the wrong powder. That makes 2 times that mistake has been made.
Your comments about Bullseye make my point exactly. Had the newbie picked a different round to load he could have blown something up.
Rather it being Hodgdon being a villain at fault they simply made an unfortunate choice and newbies are following suit.

The OP here did decide to do some research and didn't have problem with Superformance, he found out it was not a good choice.
Looks like he got some good answers in less than a hour.
I don't see him saying it's name should be changed.

Off thread and I will leave at this and stay on THR.


Annoyed because there was no data....
Wow, I hope that person does not get annoyed having to weigh powder charges or waiting for people down range to get back across the firing line.
If researching reloading data is an annoyance he probably should give up reloading, lots of us find researching data fun and entertaining.




All of that because the new .444 reloader didn't think it was necessary to do basic research, like check a reloading manual, consult the powder makers web site, inquire on a reloading forum, or do some internet research..
Glad he wasn't trying to shoot the Bullseye in a target and tried say 1/2 case of Bullseye, or uses his .444 for steel silhouettes and decided 1/2 a case of Silhouette would be a good place to start.

Ramshot makes/sells a powder called Magnum should I expect them to change the name because it would not work well in .357 magnum?
Lots of ammo says Magnum on the box does that mean Ramshot Magnum is used in all magnum ammo?

As a side note I have seen kids playing break windows in the past, some of them said, "it was my fault" (even thought they were quite young), some of them were well why did you put a window there.
When the second ones are adults having to pay to fix a window they will probably want baseballs banned because of the it has to be somebody else's fault line of "reasoning"
There will always be people who accept responsibility for their actions and those who choose to blame it on someone else, and want things changed because it is someone else's "fault"

The whole idea that's it's Hodgon's fault for the powder name just seems to indicate a basic lack of accepting responsibility to me.
If your not willing to accept responsibility you probably should not be reloading or shooting in the first place.

For example if I am at the range after a line break and the RO says the range is clear, I would never fire until I scanned the range, in the end I am responsible for my shot not someone else.

 

[Dudedog]

Dudemeister,
glad you got some good info here saying Superformace wouldn't work well before you bought it.
Hopefully you found something that will work for you in 30-30,
if you haven't you might start a thread and ask what peoples favorite for 30-30 with a 170, is
I Imagine you would get some good information.

My Lymnan 50 lists the following powders for 30-30 with a 170gr
IMR-3031
IMR 4895
H335
BL-C(2)
748
IMR-4064 (listed by them as potentially the most accurate)
2520
IMR-4320
RL15
LEVERevolution
IMR-4350

I sure there are others that will work as well.
(and lots of others that won't)

I believe Varget was mentioned earlier.

 

[Walkalong]

Let's try to get back on topic and keep it civil.

 

[midland man]

I use Winchester 760 powder with sierra 170gr prohunter bullets and I weigh out 33.6gr of this powder to put behind these bullets and in my three rifles these perform very well!!

 

[Toprudder]

If we are talking about other powders that will work (may as well ) then I have had good luck with 150gn bullets and W748, 3031, LeverEvolution, and H4895.

I got the best accuracy with 3031. LeverEvolution has decent accuracy, but more velocity. H4895 is good for reduced recoil loads, with plated bullets, that I use for shooting indoors. 3031 is good across several calibers, and H4895 is one of the more versatile powders.

 

[Bfh_auto]

I also say w748, Leverevolution, and 3031.
748 and a fp will kill any deer you find.
I haven't used Leverevolution on game.