Hope for 2A - Trump now leading in latest CNN poll

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That a tease. Tomorrow Clinton will be back in lead . I think truth is Trump is winning the media doesn't want to print that their candidate is loosing big time. :cuss:
 
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He will definitely lose Florida and Pennsylvania. Probably Michigan. Sorry, he's toast and will pocket what campaign donations he can get away with. Prepare for the worst and buy as many supplies as you can afford.

I predict this thread will be also be toast soon.
 
Your best chance at turning this around is getting involved as a volunteer in a convention of states movement. Pinning your hopes on one man to save your repeublic is folly.
 
Your best chance at turning this around is getting involved as a volunteer in a convention of states movement. Pinning your hopes on one man to save your repeublic is folly.
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Rather informative in showing how we got here, though...

*note; it was a convention of states' representatives as opposed to a great leader (singular) which formed our nation in the first place, even though such a leader was available at the time
 
In the naive hope we might make something useful from this information I've pulled this into Activism Discussion so we might come up with a plan of action to promote the 2A regardless of who becomes POTUS.

Post 4 makes a start at the effort.

What about the down ballot choices? Regardless of who is POTUS a House & Senate protective of the 2A is critical if an Anti is in the Whitehouse and important even with a pro 2A president. Who in your state that is pro 2A can use your help in these last week's before November? Will you volunteer in their campaign? Will you get others to? At least buy the beer?
 
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I think we are rapidly approaching the down ballot races, as you suggest, as the only cover we have here. One of the things people have a tendency to do on election day is not vote because their presidential candidate has been determined to be the loser. It happens on the west coast every election for many who vote after work. They listen to the news on the way home and decide it's a lost cause. What they don't realize is in this election it's especially critical for the GOP congressional candidates to win their races. It's also important that your state GOP candidates win.

I'm one of the people that have been totally disgusted by both presidential candidates but I'm still on board and I'm still going to vote. State legislators will probably do more for or to your RKBA than any president or congressman anyway.

Vote.
 
I don't pay that much attention to the polls - they swing too much, and based on obvious media bias can I believe one done by certain organizations, etc?

He may be leading in national polls, but you can win the popular vote and still lose the election - it's all about those swing states and the Electoral College (I think Bill Clinton won with only 43% of the popular vote?).

We do need to educate and inform some of our fellow gun owners.

VCDL recently took a survey at some gun shows, and disappointingly, results showed way too many gun owners are not opposed to Universal Background Checks!

I also believe if HRC gets in there, it may be a looooong time before you see another conservative or Republican candidate win an election.

It has been pointed out that California used to vote conservative until Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to over 3.5 million illegal immigrants - look at California's history since then.

If she wins, no doubt the California experience will be repeated on a national scale.
 
I also believe he will win the popular vote and lose the Electoral, unless the FBI or smeone like Snowden exposes the truth about the Clintons.
Let's wait for the debates. People say he is going to lose, but lets not forget that a lot of woman have become interested in the shooting sports the past 5 years, so we need to make her position clear to all woman, that they will lose their right to have a gun if they insist on electing her.
This is a really good point to drive home, especially for those on the fence, or those who have had or heard of a robbery lately.
 
One also needs to point out the following for low information voters you know:

1. If HRC wins, she'll load SCOTUS with Ruth Bader Ginsberg types - judges that don't care what the law or the Constitution says - it's all about how she feels and legislating from the bench.
2. HRC will also (and some experts say this is even worse than SCOTUS appointments) continue to appoint lower court judges and lock up the lower courts, thus ensuring many cases either do not make it to SCOTUS, or SCOTUS will simply refuse to hear the case, in which case the lower court ruling stands.

EVERYONE that's not aware of this result of upcoming elections should watch the FOX Report video below.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...s-already-pulling-appeals-courts-to-left.html

A few facts:
1. Obama has successfully seated a total of 329 federal judges during his two terms – all of them, lifetime appointments.
2. When Obama took office, only three appellate courts had more Democrat-appointed judges than Republican-appointed judges - now, nine of the 13 circuits do.

Scary stuff for gun owners' (AND those that believe in the Constitution) future...
 
burrhead said:
He will definitely lose Florida and Pennsylvania. Probably Michigan. Sorry, he's toast and will pocket what campaign donations he can get away with. Prepare for the worst and buy as many supplies as you can afford.

I predict this thread will be also be toast soon.
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Well, at least you are keeping a positive outlook on it.


So what are you going to do in the way of Activism to get the word out?
 
Unless something worse than HRC's history of corruption, duplicity, and self-serving agenda can unseat her in the key swing states in which she maintains a lead, then it remains exceptionally unlikely than any other candidate can best her. She's managed to escape criminal charges related to her handling of classified material and never had to deal with the consequences of the handling of Benghazi. She's a political version of the Teflon Don. Trump can obtain a significant lead in the popular vote come 11/8 and it'll be irrelevant b/c she'll keep her existing blue states and is poised to gain 4 swing states. Unless there's a significant change, she'll win an electoral landslide. And probably smother her victory dinner with her bottle of hot sauce.
 
so we might come up with a plan of action to promote the 2A regardless of who becomes POTUS.
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With this very thought in mind I became in NRA Certified Instructor last month. I think education and more responsible gun owners can only help the cause.
 
The long game is played in #14, grow the shooting population by becoming a mentor and instructor and a positive example. This is fighting the culture war. Sadly, we need more immediate short term methods as well as these.

CLP, it hasn't been about the popular vote since the electoral college came about. The "game" focuses on the critical states that impact it and the savvy politician plays that game seeing states as "points" to be won. How do we get states up for grabs to swing away from Clinton? How do we get all states to swing towards 2A supporters in their down ballot voting? How do we get the states like Maine that Bloomberg is focusing on to fight off his money and influence?
 
"Sadly, we need more immediate short term methods as well as these."
What is the immediate short term method used by the opposition when they need a quick fix? Oh yes, we need a Billionaire ready to divert some of their unending fortune whenever it will sway an uncertain battle.

If only we had a billionaire on our side, truly willing to put even a modicum* of his money where his mouth is...:rolleyes:

TCB

*a modicum is a very small amount ;)
 
Instead of driving the two parties apart with a political wedge we should be finding ways that the common citizen can agree on most things.We need a grass roots effort to get rid of the electoral college as it is today, it is no longer necessary and has about done a 180 from it's original intent/design. In this day and age of instant secure communications the popular vote should work better IMHO.

Also we need to have THREE or more equally powerful political parties, then voting for the best person for the job, rather than the least of the evils would work once again. IMHO more people would vote if they were not "informed" into hopelessness on election day. This country needs to have the citizens united again not carved up into a couple of opposite political factions IMHO.
Get involved and engage others and try to get your points across about why the particular candidate you chose should win---every day till the election is over.
Do not DARE to complain about your elected officials if you don't bother vote.:banghead:
 
barnbwt said:
"Sadly, we need more immediate short term methods as well as these."
What is the immediate short term method used by the opposition when they need a quick fix? Oh yes, we need a Billionaire ready to divert some of their unending fortune whenever it will sway an uncertain battle.

If only we had a billionaire on our side, truly willing to put even a modicum* of his money where his mouth is...:rolleyes:

TCB

*a modicum is a very small amount ;)
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Aren't the Koch brothers billionaires? As the people behind the Tea Party, aren't they hugely pro gun?


The only pro-gun presidents we've had since LBJ were Ford and G.W. Bush. Reagan and Bush Sr. did more damage to gun rights than Obama has. So why is Hillary such a new and awesome threat? Or is this just the same sky-is-falling stuff that happens before every election?
 
I'm probably gonna get shouted down but i believe there's a huge segment of the Democratic party that is NOT anti-gun. After Orlando i believe that group has gotten bigger. (based on a gun store owners comments about who was buying guns soon after) I think neutrality is our strength when it comes to gun ownership. Not the bashing of the left.
 
I'm inclined to believe our system needs to be cleaned up before any activism can be effective.
Making sure only registered votes are counted.
Voting on one specified day unless absentee.
Harsh punishment for those who violate voting laws.
Positive identification.
Removing corruption will fix much of the problems.

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Aren't the Koch brothers billionaires? As the people behind the Tea Party, aren't they hugely pro gun?
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A wildly exaggerated statement, especially compared to any of like four liberal/socialist counterparts. They are far more fiscally oriented than gun rights oriented, too.

The only pro-gun presidents we've had since LBJ were Ford and G.W. Bush. Reagan and Bush Sr. did more damage to gun rights than Obama has.
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Jr. also banned the import of barrels, presided over illegal arms sales to cartels, and allowed ATF overreach to grow like a garden weed while doing nothing one way or the other on gun control. Not pro gun beyond NRA lip service.

So why is Hillary such a new and awesome threat? Or is this just the same sky-is-falling stuff that happens before every election?
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She's not. We haven't had a pro gun prez since JFK, amd his assassination led to horrible infringements. Hillary is just us approaching the end-game move once again, as we did with the last Clinton and the AWB. By joke of politics & history, the law was allowed to expire and We The People were given another chance without resorting to drastic measures. Despite awesome gains at the state and local level, we've largely squandered our chance at the federal. Pendulum swings back harder each time, but we've done little to secure ourselves nationally, so we'll likely be in for a rough ride (and it has more to do with Pelosi/etc in the congress than Hillary, though she'll be pushing hard for anti-gun SCOTUS rulings through Lynch)

I'm probably gonna get shouted down but i believe there's a huge segment of the Democratic party that is NOT anti-gun.
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Of course there is. It also doesn't matter since the part is stridently anti-gun. It also doesn't matter since being ambivalent isn't good enough to protect our rights from them, since they still care about public safety*. Gun neutral is merely an unprincipled anti-gun position; the issue is binary. The NRA apparently endorsed one or two Democrats this cycle, but they will be given little attention or authority to direct the part platform.

TCB

*looking past his various positions for & against historically, as well as contributions to either side of the issue, Trump is at best ambivalent on gun rights, personally. This is why we should not trust him to not compromise in the name of public safety or national security, and hound him mercilessly when he does (No Fly No Buy). This guy needs a tight leash if he's to be any better for us than Hillary.
 
RX-79G said:
Aren't the Koch brothers billionaires? As the people behind the Tea Party, aren't they hugely pro gun?


The only pro-gun presidents we've had since LBJ were Ford and G.W. Bush. Reagan and Bush Sr. did more damage to gun rights than Obama has. So why is Hillary such a new and awesome threat? Or is this just the same sky-is-falling stuff that happens before every election?
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they've decided to sink their money into congressional and senatorial races because they don't think trump can win- same with most of the other regualr big campaign donors
 
CLP said:
they've decided to sink their money into congressional and senatorial races because they don't think trump can win- same with most of the other regualr big campaign donors
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The billionaire commentary wasn't about electing Trump but 2A activism separate from elections - I assumed the billionaire BarnBT was talking about was Bloomberg and his gun control activism.
 
beeb173 said:
i believe there's a huge segment of the Democratic party that is NOT anti-gun. After Orlando i believe that group has gotten bigger. (based on a gun store owners comments about who was buying guns soon after) I think neutrality is our strength when it comes to gun ownership. Not the bashing of the left.
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+1. For gun owners (whether you are Republican/Democrat), there's a common enemy who are anti-gun.

I work with a lot of Democrats and many are gun owners (even some liberals) and when it comes to gun control, they dislike the position some in Democratic party has taken and to my surprise, agreeing with me more and more on 2A issues as "personal rights issue" and not a partisan issue.

For 2A/self defense (especially with home invasion/robberies), we often agree to set partisan issues aside and focus on what will benefit the gun owners best. I have always extended an open hand to democratic gun owners and helped train them with gun selection and range training and many are now conceal carrying and actively supporting 2A even to the point of voting for Trump! :eek: (Yes, you heard that right)

So invest some of your time and educate the "other side" and invite them on your next range trip. You may be surprised how things end up. ;)

Enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?
 
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