Hopkins and allen safety police questions

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plumberroy

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I picked up a hopkins and allen safety police 6" barrel in good shape considering it is 100 years old. It is a 38 s&w I believe the only thing wrong is the piece that pushes the cylinder to the stop is chipped and does't quiet push it far enough to lock unless you cock it vigeriously . They show it listed in both large frame and small frame . How do you tell which one you have?
Roy
 
I'd offer you parts off the one I have, but there really is a distinct difference between the pawl and ratchet in the two frame sizes. The eccentric axis hammer is a neat safety feature, one that is just as positive as any modern transfer-bar safety.
 
I an going to get a box of ammo and see how it shoots first I can make sure the cylinder catch drops in the notch by hand . If it shoots some what decent I will look for parts. even if I have to buy a second gun for parts. Is the one you have small frame?
Roy
 
I see no problem with occasionally firing that gun; it was made for smokeless powder and should be OK with modern ammo, assuming you can find any.

But it is 100 years old and parts are scarce; if anything breaks that can't be made at a reasonable cost, the gun is kaput! And, as much as I also think the design is clever as heck, I would not depend on any gun that old for serious purposes.

Jim
 
The funny thing is that my grandfathers WAS used in a serious way. Back in the 1950's, some bad guys showed up at his house (two of them) intent on robbing the family. It started as a "can we use your phone" situation and they tried to force their way into the house. My grandfather stuck that H&A in the ribs of the first baddie and forced them both onto the grass in the front yard, sitting back-to-back while my grandmother called the sheriff. When the deputy showed up, they complained that my grandfather tried to shoot them. The deputy told them if they didn't shut up, he'd shoot them himself!

Long story short, my grandfather took the H&A out the next day to fire it - he hadn't done so in years - and the first two rounds were duds! The next two fired, and the last shot was a dud. He'd always kept the revolver oiled, and 3 of the 5 rounds had soaked in oil and were inactive. After that, my grandfather made it a habit to fire off rounds every so often just to ensure function. He later replaced that H&A with a S&W Model 10.

As to ammo, you can get 38 S&W ammo, just not necessarily locally - though I never had problems keeping my Enfield fed. But, I'd also not tempt fate by using it as a self-defense revolver. Keeping it as a neat design, yes.
 
I see no problem with occasionally firing that gun; it was made for smokeless powder and should be OK with modern ammo, assuming you can find any.

But it is 100 years old and parts are scarce; if anything breaks that can't be made at a reasonable cost, the gun is kaput! And, as much as I also think the design is clever as heck, I would not depend on any gun that old for serious purposes.

Jim
There is an XD40 around here for serious chores . If I get the gun running It will just be an old school cool toy to maybe shoot at bunnies and other small critters
Roy
 
I usually don't recommend folks take down old guns (because they keep coming back to ask me how to put them back together). But if you feel up to it, check out that mechanism. It is pretty darned clever.

That story is great, but I don't suppose your grandfather felt great when he found out he had been holding a useless gun!

Jim
 
Not a useless gun, just useless ammo...

He did later replace it with a S&W Model 10 that he kept in the car underneath a wash cloth. Interestingly enough, he always kept a Remington model 11 behind the door and did not think to take it out for these two - he kept it for rabid racoons or armadillos digging up his yard.
 
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