House IL - AWB Passes Out Of Committee HB873 8 to 5

[sctman800]

I was in Springfield on the 14th along with 1250 to 2000 other gun owners (depending on whose figures you use). I met people from the Chicago area including some from the district of Emil Jones. Of course he was too busy to honor an appointment with his constituents, but he knew we were there.
I am a member of the NRA, Champaign County Rifle Association, ISRA, I vote and call and write my state rep and Senator on a regular basis. I am the NRA in Illinois and I will not give up and I will defend whatever type of firearm you want to own. Jim.

 

[RWMC]

Gov. Fueher Blagoiavitch ( or was it Son-of-a-b***h? ) is nothing but Mayor Daleys' lap-dog. He spends more time in Chi-comgo saying yes sir, yes sir than he ever spends in Springfield. I make a motion that we have Lincolns body exhumed from Springfield and moved to somewhere safe like Wyoming or Idaho where his body wouldn't have a tendency to roll-over! Do we have any hope left in this once great land of ours?

 

[alan]

RWMC Gov. Fueher Blagoiavitch ( or was it Son-of-a-b***h? ) is nothing but Mayor Daleys' lap-dog. He spends more time in Chi-comgo saying yes sir, yes sir than he ever spends in Springfield. I make a motion that we have Lincolns body exhumed from Springfield and moved to somewhere safe like Wyoming or Idaho where his body wouldn't have a tendency to roll-over! Do we have any hope left in this once great land of ours?

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Whatever the present governor is or might be, in my uninvolved view, nothing good, he ran for election and obtained the job. I wonder as to how many people outside Cook County voted for him, knowing exactly what he was, based on his past record as a congress critter. Also, how many of them are gun owners. Ditto for Ram Emanuel.

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nucstl1:

Re the outfits you mentioned, all Fortune 500 types I think, how many of them do you realistically think will actually up and leave?

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I also saw a post here mentioning the possibility of 3 Illinois based firearms makers possibly leaving the state. Do you really think that:

1. They will actually forgo law enforcement sales that they might currently have over YOUR rights? Interesting question, one that might be tossed around in corporate board rooms.
2. Do you think that corporations will move over a MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, if they so view it? I know of just one that did, Navy Arms used to be located in New Jersey. They moved, a while back to West Virginia, as I remember. Did Colt or Smith and Wesson ever take a stand that defended the rights of CIVILIAN customers. Remember Bill Ruger Sr. and his position on "large capacity magazines".

 

[Soybomb]

I also saw a post here mentioning the possibility of 3 Illinois based firearms makers possibly leaving the state. Do you really think that:

1. They will actually forgo law enforcement sales that they might currently have over YOUR rights? Interesting question, one that might be tossed around in corporate board rooms.
2. Do you think that corporations will move over a MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, if they so view it? I know of just one that did, Navy Arms used to be located in New Jersey. They moved, a while back to West Virginia, as I remember. Did Colt or Smith and Wesson ever take a stand that defended the rights of CIVILIAN customers. Remember Bill Ruger Sr. and his position on "large capacity magazines".

Well business are obligated to their shareholders to make money and I think this might at times preclude going off best principles. Google filtering search results in china isn't the best principle but they had a duty to their shareholders to do it. I think it gets a little more tricky when you're talking about cutting sales to try to keep from losing a large portion of your customer base. Colt made their decision to go with LE and not worry about private sales, ultimately how would losing civilian sales impact RRA? Maybe they're better to suffer some losses now to try to prevent big losses in the future?

I think corporations would move over a matter of protecting their business. If you keep huffing and puffing threatening my business, I'm going to eventually move so I can do it on my schedule and not worry about tight schedules hurting my operation even more. The continued real possibility of a awb is a real liability to these companies. If you found out you lived over a sinkhole would you just shrug and hope that nothing terrible happened?

 

[mack]

I know gun owners in Illinois that voted for Ogun Ban Obama. And hunters who bought into Gov. Chi-com-ovich's rhetoric during his campaign that he was pro-gun. I don't know how one could have half a brain and vote for either one.

However, the real story in Illinois and why Democrats have complete control of the state is the Rhino - (liberal not even moderate) - Republican party bosses - that year after year line up annointed liberal candidates for state wide office that no one wants to vote for and who - if their annointed candidate does not win in the primary - will not support any conservative or even semi-conservative candidate - and in fact will work behind the scenes to sabotage their election. Why, because if a conservative candidate got elected it would threaten their continued control over the party and Illinois Republican party bosses seem more concerned about keeping control than about winning. In fact they have essentially concluded that they can't win, so they cut the best deal they could with the Democrats in order to maintain a small piece of the action.

Rahm Emanuel holds a reliable democratic seat that the Democrats could run a dead barnyard animal in as a candidate and still win going away. The Chicago, Cook county power base for the Democrats continues to grow as the list of living and deseased voters that are paid to vote Democrat swell each year.

Voters downstate are starving for a real candidate from either party - but neither party will allow a non-chicago area controlled candidate for state wide office and if one should happen to get through the primary - they will gleefully and dedicatedly shoot him down, regardless of party. That was how a Republican Gov. Ryan got elected - he cut deals with Chicago and his Democratic opponent from downstate did not.

Let's put it this way, Richard Daley the Democratic Mayor of Chicago could walk around dropping babies off of the top of skyscrapers all day everyday and still get re-elected.

The only brake on Chicago's power is the downstate Democrats that are afraid to go too far and tick off their constituents, as they are in seats that could go either way.

Illinois is just a stones throw away from being the California of the Midwest. :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Soybomb]

I know gun owners in Illinois that voted for Ogun Ban Obama. And hunters who bought into Gov. Chi-com-ovich's rhetoric during his campaign that he was pro-gun. I don't know how one could have half a brain and vote for either one.

I'm not sure how obama is relevant to this conversation any longer, but that was me. While i'm certainly no obama fan, you can blame the republicans for running keyes. I'm not a single issue voter and the choice was quite clear.

I'm mostly with you on the rest of your post. I do get a little tired of the sourthern illinois people blaming chicago though. 39% of people in my very southern illinois county voted for blago. It sure doesn't make it seem like chicago is forcing them into anything.

 

[mack]

Obama was mentioned in a prior post. Just another example of a glib pretty boy ultra-liberal who essentially ran without opposition. Whether one liked Keyes or not - he was just a sacrificial lamb for the slaughter - after the Republican parties bosses had totally screwed up the election - their picked candidate was forced to drop out in a scandal, then they couldn't find anyone in the entire state who was willing to run so they allowed the conservatives to get Keyes - then they helped the media and the Daley machine politically gut Keyes. Though he realistically had no chance anyway. However, their political crushing of Keyes helped them to discredit their conservative party rivals and also helped them to reassert their control over the Republican party - as their initial major screw up in the governors race that made the whole thing possible was then forgotten.

As far as voting for Obama - there is always third party or write in - works for me - helps me to be able to look in the mirror after I vote.

Don't get too offended about Chicago - there are crazy people everywhere - I actually like visiting Chicago occassionally, as far as cities go it has a lot to offer, and the people are generally okay. It is just that when it comes to politics - Chicago is evil - and that evil permeates the state of Illinois. Yes, there are goofballs downstate too when it comes to politics. It is just that there are so many more of them in Chicago.
:banghead:

 

[Nanook]

Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. - KJV 2 Cor 3:17

Mack, your signature says it all, in regards to Chicago. From the top down, they are rotten to the core. And they are driving the bus from Chicago. I wouldn't trust a Chicago politician of either "party" with a 3rd grader's lunch money.

Remember the old ZZTop song? "Jesus just left Chicago.."

I wouldn't blame him.

The American Indian name for the place still applies. Something about smelly place, or a place that smells.

 

[klcmschlesinger]

I love all this banter back and forth, but I asked a question before and I was hoping someone had the answer. Maybe I asked the question on TFL. I can't remember. When is the actual vote and when will we know the outcome. Also, if we have to register our guns, what shows proof of ownership?

 

[Diesel man]

klcmschlesinger,
NEVER REGISTER YOUR GUNS ITS ONE STEP AWAY FROM CONFISCATION.
Either move out of that state or be a Dominant agressive gun owner who refuses to register any gun.

 

[klcmschlesinger]

I love my guns, but I can't be a felon. I just can't. I may move, but otherwise I have to comply. I vote accordingly. I call the reps. I do what I can. But I cannot be a felon.

 

[Autolycus]

I am really thinking that it is time for me to move. I cannot stand the politicians here in Illinois. This bill is just rediculous.

I dont think it is right that I have to prove that I owned mags and guns before a certain date. Isnt the burden of proof on the prosecutor and not on the accused?

I cant believe they want to make me a felon and I have not done anything but buy something that was perfectly legal. Suddenly they want to change the legality and I am now a criminal?

 

[220_Swift]

How is this going to effect jobs dramatically as was mentioned? How many people work in industries affected by this?

I'm not criticizing - I'm genuinely asking.

Their are several manufacturers in state, that would be forced to move to another state if this passes.

Rock River Arms
Les Bauer
Armalite
Springfield Armory

Just to name a few.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Also, if we have to register our guns, what shows proof of ownership?


They haven't seemed to hammer out that detail yet. You'd think that would be spelled right out. The point being, they probably won't be able to do it at all and they know it. They will drop the whole registratioin scheme as a compromise proposal and, in effect, make only the sale of 'new' weapons mags, ect. a crime. Dealers will no longer be able to sell them to the plebians anymore. No more ugly black rifles at gun shows.

And since no one will really be able to tell if the AW on the firing line is pre-or post ban or was in Illinois on a certain date the law will have done what they want it to do: nothing in fact.

Or maybe they'll do us all like the nice folks in Cook County got done--they'll pass the ban make us fellons and not even write up a press release to let us in on it.

They'll ask for receipts or, better yet, make you appear at your local police station.

 

[Autolycus]

The registration scares me. Because I dont think it would be cool to have police kick my door down looking for high cap magazines.

 

[sctman800]

Quote "When is the actual vote and when will we know the outcome"


That is a question no one can answer right now. The Democrats are in power but don't have or at least dont think they have the votes to pass this piece of stuff. They will keep it hanging on untill they are sure they can pass it before bringing it to a vote. Dont worry, it will be well advertized if and when it comes to a vote. Jim.

 

[cindynles]

Good luck guys. We went through this same thing here in the peoples republic of California back in 2000. I suggest that you buy any evil AW's and their hi-cap mags now before the price goes through the roof. When it happened here people were paying $600 for a stripped AR lower. :banghead:

 

[Autolycus]

This quote comes from: An AR15 member.

Here is the link: http://www.ar15.com/forums/manageReply.html?a=quote&b=8&f=23&t=261177&r=2520384&page=2

Originally Posted By Nate7out:


I need information on Garrett, Pankau and Sullivan. I had something down for Pankau before from IL carry, but couldn't find it to confirm. Perhaps someone registered there could search. I found these by looking at every thread on the issue here and at Illinois Carry. If your name is next to incorrect info, please correct me.

 

[alan]

Re who voted for whom, I Might I offer the following historical comment, one attributed to Thomas Jefferson. People usually get the sort of government that they do not vote against.

 

[Soybomb]

Keep your eyes on the ISRA page too guys, it looks like we're really being hammered this year.

Today we learned that the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (ICHV) may have hired two more experienced lobbyists. We will undoubtedly find out in the very near future.

Tomorrow we will hear a hostle amendment to Senator Wilhelmi's bill SB1095. This amendment is from Senator Lightford. Senator Wilhelmi is a very progun Senator, so it appears the antigun Senator Lightford is trying to highjack his bill. The amendment will be heard in the Jud Criminal at 11:00 am.

My next report will be tomorrow night. In the mean time keep pressure up on SB16, SB1471, and HB873.

It doesn't look like the text of the amendment is available on the ilga page yet, but here's a link to it http://ilga.gov/legislation/billsta...9&GA=95&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=27226&SessionID=51

 

[Glockfan.45]

From the link on Soy Bombs above post:

Amends the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act. Makes a technical change in a Section concerning a legislative declaration.

I find it disturbing that this is the only text on the bill. Does anybody else remember when they wanted to raise the cost of F.O.I.D cards to $500, and make them expire yearly? I just cant belive this sudden attack we are under. I vote, call/write state reps and senators. I belong to the G.O.A and the ISRA but jesus its just getting to be too damn much anymore. With AWBs, bullet stamping bills, fifty cal bans, and this mystery bill in the works I am really about to give up and move 20min west to Missouri. Illinois has become quite the leftist hell hole and I just cant stand it any longer.

 

[Jeff White]

This isn't a sudden attack. We deal with many of these same bills every time the legislature is in session. A lot of them, like the .50 ban are part of the Brady Campaign's agenda and probably have been introduced in all 50 states.

Most of these bills won't ever see even a second reading on the floor.

This is nothing new. It's nationwide. Just like we have our legislators that will introduce our model legislation, the other side has legislators that will introduce theirs.

Jeff

 

[Sungun09]

Indiana wants me

Screw Illinois.

 

[bclark1]

and the state goes "bankrupt" or whatever happens when the state spends all its money (if that is even possible) what happens to the State of IL? do they just raise taxes? cut the program?

the ipass tolls go up to $4 a pop, and everybody's "happy." seriously, every other state just uses toll roads to pay of the construction, illinois uses them as an ATM machine and just raises them as their spending gets more and more out of control.

does chicago have the money for the 2016 olympics? hell no! but are they going for it? why of course!

same with this. unfortunately cook couny does run the state. it's a sin.

i always planned on coming back to illinois, this could be grounds for reconsideration. if i transplanted back though, how would that work with registering my guns? would i just be compelled under penalty of death to tell them what i'm bringing into the state? what about if i stay elsewhere and just visit? and in that sense, could you buy a small plot of land on the indy border with some other guys, leave a safe there, and just say that's where all your guns are?
oh, gun laws. they're just so practical, and they make so much sense.

 

[Autolycus]

So does anyone think that the Virginia Tech shooting was basically a death knell for "Assault Weapons" and magazines with a capaicty larger than 10 rounds?

I have a feeling that we are screwed now. Its only going to go downhill and get worse for us.