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HOW DARE THE FRENCH FORGET

By STEVE DUNLEAVY
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HEROES ALL:
The Post's Steve Dunleavy strolls among U.S. soldiers' graves at the American Cemetery near Omaha Beach over the weekend.
- NYP: Tamara Beckwith

February 10, 2003 -- COLLEVILLE-SUR-MER, France - They stand only 3 feet high, but they're towering mountains of sacrifice.
I'm standing in the American Cemetery. Gray clouds hang low as if in mourning for the nearly 10,000 young Americans buried beneath crosses and Stars of David that stretch as far as the eye can see.

The air is chill, but I feel an unnatural glow of rage - I want to kick the collective butts of France.

These kids died to save the French from a tyrant named Adolf Hitler.

And now, as more American kids are poised to fight and die to save the world from an equally vile tyrant, Saddam Hussein, where are the French?

Hiding. Chickening out. Proclaiming, Vive les wimps!

The French, amazingly, never learned the lesson of what happens to appeasers.

They may not remember - but Caroline Buck does.

"When I look at these graves, it makes me want to cry," Buck, who lives in San Antonio, told me as she dabbed her eyes with a handkerchief.

"My father joined the Merchant Marines during WWII at the age of 17. Those soldiers out there under that ground were just kids. They were here to save France, and if it wasn't for them, the French might have ended up speaking German," she said.

Well, what do you know. They're now speaking the same anti-war language as the Germans - in a European chorus of cowards.

Buck's husband, Ron, an engineer, remembered his father flying over France against the Germans in planes nicknamed "The Black Widows" because they flew at night.

"I think this whole anti-American thing is sad," he said. "I don't know whether it's television or an older generation dying out, but after our soldiers did so much for France, well, look at these graves. Surely they remember."

Sorry. They don't.

I read these names with tears in my eyes and fury in my heart:

"Walter F. Rober, Pvt., 358 Inf., 90 Div., New York, July 13, 1944; Angelo Cauca, Pvt., 8 Inf., 4 Div., New Jersey, June 21, 1944; John Hernandez, Pvt., 8 Inf., 4 Div., Nebraska, June 23, 1944."

These names mean nothing to the French, 91 percent of whom, according to a poll, are against President Bush's plans to make Saddam a dark mark in history.

But then again, the French are against everything, including that curious American habit of showering every day.

But wait a minute.

It seems our brave allies are now putting all their French toast in one basket.

They have a 12,000-man contingent training, they say. And it's equipped with one - count it - one amphibious-assault vessel.

Give me a break.

I know some veterans who would say that if the French are in training, they are training to throw up their arms in surrender.

B. Rice Aston, from Houston, the president-general of the Sons of the American Revolution, was visiting here with fellow members.

As he approached the monument in the cemetery, he said: "Remember what Henry Kissinger said. The French are prickly. If you're at the top of the ladder, they sometimes want to shake it for you to fall off."

You walk another hundred yards near hallowed turf: "George Uttering, Pvt., 12 Inf., 4 Div., New York, June 7, 1944; Ramond Carey, 2 Lt., 319, 82 Airborne, New York, July 4, 1944; Ercal W. Netzer, Pfc., 22 Inf., West Virginia, June 7, 1944."

As the sun tries to peek through those mourning clouds, I meet Jessica Silverman, a student from George Washington University, studying here in France. As a college student, she never has been gung-ho for any war.

But Jessica, of Maine, told me, "Nothing has happened to me, but we have been told something that is a little disturbing.

"We have been told that if we face any kind of a threat, we should say we're Canadians, not Americans."

Now isn't that just fine, Americans in France having to pretend they're not Americans.

If they had done that in 1944, the French would have replaced "La Marseillaise" with the Nazi anthem, "Deutchland Uber Alles."

It chills the bone when the French government and so many of its citizens steadfastly try to undermine Bush, even sneer at him, when so many of them were saved by the nation he leads - with the greatest band of brothers on earth.
 
The good news is that La belle France is aswarm with death-cult nuts. The French can surrender to them all day long, it won't do a bit of good. Maybe after the death-cult psychotics tear them a new one they'll wise up.

Nah!:banghead: :banghead: :fire: :cuss:
 
Screw the French! :cuss: :fire: :banghead:

For that matter, screw the Germans and the Belgians as well!Pathetic weakling countries whose economies are in a shambles.

Kick them the hell out of NATO and let them fend for themselves, the snivelling eurotrash cowards! :cuss: :fire: :banghead:
 
Some people are beginning to call on Congress to bring all American war dead home from France from both World Wars.

There are, from what I can tell, 11 American military cemeteries in France, with something close to 61,000 American dead from the two wars.

There are 5 additional cemeteries in Belgium, Luxembourg, and Holland. Gen. George S. Patton is buried in Luxembourg.

At this point I can't say that I disagree.

Fox Morning News -- the 2 men and the very pretty woman, can't think of what they call themselves -- was SAVAGING France.
 
I say we get the families blessings, go over and dig up our proud soldiers and bring 'em home. We should be able to write France off forever! The only thing they have going for them is a couple of decent museums. And I'll take Crown over champaign any day.
 
None, Chris. They died so that France might poke their arch-rival England in the eye with a sharp stick. Remember the context, the times. If any of them DID offer such a sacrifice, they're children's children's grandchildren have no memory of it.
 
"Some people are beginning to call on Congress to bring all American war dead home from France from both World Wars. "

I support that! If they are not to be remembered, they should be brought to where they ARE remembered.

And for the apologists who claim the French helped the USA win independence from Great Britain... read the history, not the French PR. The French refused to render aid until the last minute, when the issue was already decided. Then they jumped on the winning team. I think the only French who died in the American Revolution died of disease and such. And maybe that one guy in "The Patriot".
 
These kids died to save the French from a tyrant named Adolf Hitler.

And now, as more American kids are poised to fight and die to save the world from an equally vile tyrant, Saddam Hussein, where are the French?

That comparison doesn't hold up very well. The French have been plenty obnoxious throughout their history, but in this case I don't blame em.
 
Actually, I think these kids died to save the WORLD from a tyrant. Not just France. A lot of other 'kids' died, not just American boys. Brits, Aussies, Canucks, Indians, Kiwis, Poles, etc. The glorification by Hollywood, and pop culture that Americans are reared on, is showing through loud and clear. "WE SAVED THE WORLD". Ya, and what about the other countries who had young men lost?
Now the U.S. wants to prove to the world that everyone has to help get rid of Saddam, but they aren't getting a whole lot of support. I think it's because the HARD proof is lacking on Iraq.
Poor U.S., can't get their own way and now they are throwing a tantrum. It's so easy to live on a big continent out in the Pacific, with the strongest military in the world to protect them. People here seem to overlook the fact that most European nations have had SERIOUS terrorist acts going on there for 20-some years. The US gets hit, and all of a sudden they are on a global mission to eradicate anyone who would oppose them. "OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM".....who comes up with this crap? How about "OPERATION BOMB THE HELL OUTTA EVERYTHING CUZ WE ARE AMERICANS AND THATS WHAT WE DO"? I like the sounds of that.
So if you wish to start WWIII just because you 'think' Saddam 'might' have WMD's, go ahead. Perhaps that's why France and most of Europe are opposed to the War, because twice in the last century, massive conflict raged across Europe and ravaged everything in it's path. When was the last time the entire US was the Front, with refugees and displaced people rummaging through bomb craters, civilians killed in the cross fire? Not in living history like in Europe. So before you slam the French, or whoever else, for wanting to pursue a non-combative resolution, maybe look at it from a different angle.
 
No one is disputing the fact that a lot of people from a lot of nations died in the World War II, Camp.

Unfortunately, it's the French who seem to quick to forget the hard lessons of appeasement when dealing with tyrants. Solid "proof" that Hitler would turn out to be what he was was lacking in 1939, until he sent his armies into Poland, and Europe and European "diplomacy" was again the cause of global catastrophe.

The French were against the first Gulf War until the very last minute, and for the past 10 years have been doing everything possible to get sanctions lifted on Iraq at every turn.

Now we're facing a situation where the stakes are just as critical, possibly even more so if Iraq is actually close to having a bomb.

Do they have a nuclear weapon? I don't know. But quite frankly they wouldn't even have to have made one of their own -- too many former Soviet nukes are simply unaccounted for at this point in time.

Does Iraq have chemical and/or biological weapons? Anyone who says they don't is, I'm afraid, seriously deluding themselves. Iraq proved they have chemical weapons when they used them against the Khurds. To say that they're all accounted for and destroyed is, quite frankly, a pipe dream.

Several months ago, I was firmly against military action. Now I'm swinging closer and closer to seeing the necessity of military action -- with or without NATO and the UN. Am I happy about that? You've got to be kidding.

I've also got this nasty, nasty gut feeling that the reason that the Germans and French don't want the US invading Iraq is more self-serving than anyone would like to believe.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that if the US goes into Iraq, it's going to find equipment for the production of chemical and biological weapons with German and French manufacturer's tags on it...

As for European terrorism, largely it's been home grown terrorism -- the Red Brigade, the Beider-Meinhoff gang, the Irish Republican Army, etc. Almost to to a group internally developed, largely Marxist in theory.

What I finally fail to see is why, when something large and messy needs to be done, the rest of the world is screaming "Let the USA do it, let the USA do it," but when the USA actually takes action, the world can't trot out the condemnation quickly enough.

Face it. The world wants someone to do their dirty work for them -- the Bosnia fiasco is a good example where once again Europe couldn't even police its own backyard -- and at the same time be able to scream bloody murder about crass American imperialism.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, would make me, and a lot of other Americans, happier than to be able to say :cuss: the rest of you morons, your puddly messes are now your own.

:cuss: the United Nations, :cuss: NATO, and with the exception of Britain, :cuss: the rest of the world.

NOTHING would make me happier.
 
One correct point, CampX: We do put some STUPID names on operations. Whatever happened to Linebacker, Dragoon, and the like?

Disappointed to hear anybody lump Albania, Rumania, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Lithuania into having an easy time of it and then "throwing a tantrum the first time they don't get their own way." One assumes their credentials for judging both war and dictators surpass the French by at least as much as they surpass the North American? The Americans are doing most of the talking, since we'll bury more dead than anybody but the Iraqis, but don't let CNN obscure the fact that we've got more genuinely committed support than the French position has, and we've got a MONSTROUS qualitative edge over Kofi Annan.

In the final analysis, asking for proof is simply irrelevant. Either Bush and his cabinet, along with the leaders of 32 or so other countries are pathological liars who all got their stories straight, or they have classified information they can't share just to make you (and me, I admit) happy.

Incidentally, you forgot to mention the boys who did the most dying, and the most important dying at that, the last time the Europeans screwed up. It is worth remembering that the last European disaster got so out of hand largely because, and this is important, the British and French bargained with evil for too long. The British, at least, learned from their mistake.

And no, the fact that the U.S. will actually retaliate instead of sitting there and taking abuse doesn't really bother us. If you call Dubya a "Cowboy" it almost makes me respect him for a while. Much of the rest of the world hates us simply because we've got the big stick. They won't hate us any more if we use it.

Steve
 
I wonder how many French died to save the fledgling American colonies from a tyrant named King George?

That debt was paid in full, three times over.

Heck, the last significant military action I can think of where the French played a significant role was when they dragged us into protecting their precious colonial interests in Southeast Asia.

Why in God's holy name would we want their HELP after that?

They, like the Brits, are just sore 'cause they ain't one of the Great Powers of the World anymore. Just like the US will be in another century, barring some drastic changes at home. A piteous shell of its former self, basking in the dim bulb of remembered glory.

-K
 
"It's so easy to live on a big continent out in the Pacific..."

This shows a very good grasp of world geography. Last time I looked the U.S. (a.k.a. America) was located between the Atlantic and the Pacific, not in the Pacific. Sheesh, and you're looking for hard facts? Where?

"People here seem to overlook the fact that most European nations have had SERIOUS terrorist acts going on there for 20-some years."

About time they did something about it, don't you think?

John
 
If any of them DID offer such a sacrifice, they're children's children's grandchildren have no memory of it.
Interesting point, and one I agree with entirely.

Hence, the French have no obligation to the United States for pulling their fat out of the fire either. After all, how many generations have passed since WWII?

I'm sure that bashing the French is fun, but it's also gotten a little silly.

- Chris
 
Looking at this from their perspective, what do they have to gain by siding with the US?
1.) If they side with the US, they risk the escalation of Muslim terrorism in France.
2.) If they beg for a peaceful solution, they look like wimps but get no direct animosity from the folks that would bomb them.

It looks like France is looking out for France.

(I still think they abandoned their commitment to be our buddies though. For that they get to reap what they sow.)
 
"Looking at this from their perspective, what do they have to gain by siding with the US?"

That sounds suspiciously familiar...

Very much like the actions that led France into the Second World War...

Accommodating, pandering to, and appeasing these people is a guaranteed path toward catastrophy.
 
Now the U.S. wants to prove to the world that everyone has to help get rid of Saddam, but they aren't getting a whole lot of support.
And when was the last time we got help from "everyone"? We may get a smattering of help, but as usual we will carry the burden of dealing with evil doers.
Poor U.S., can't get their own way and now they are throwing a tantrum.
A tantrum? That is controlled strength you are confusing your self with.
So if you wish to start WWIII just because you 'think' Saddam 'might' have WMD's, go ahead. Perhaps that's why France and most of Europe are opposed to the War
No, France is opposed to the war because they are Sodoms pupets.
When was the last time the entire US was the Front,
We aren't surrounded by a bunch of piss ant countries trying to out do the other. We are surrounded by two large countries that are inferrior and wouldnt think of any military action against us. More to the point though, 9/11/01 ring a bell? Your darn tootin, pacifist boy, someone messes with us and there is gonna be hell to pay. Dont worry though, you dont need to worry about having to serve. But if your country needs military help, who are you gonna turn to, the frogs? I doubt it. Your already a liability, so dont piss on the people you may be turning to to save your bacon.

Are you the guy married to the lady that frieked out because your daughter was taught how to spell the word "gun"?http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8517
 
I'm running out of patience re: countries that run to the US for $$ when they need help but high tail it the other direction when it's time to be counted.
Fine, don't want to step up, we need the money we've been giving you for something (anything!) else.
 
CampX,
Stay home, we'll make the world safe for you and we won't even wait for or expect a thank you, we'll just do it. But just remember, your pathetic existance rests on our performance with or without Canadas or any other country's help.
Let the Canucks do it and you get Dieppe, let the Americans do it and you get V-E and V-J Day.
 
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