How do you carry your spare mag?

[pwrtool45]

I've always found it curious that people think they can take out multiple armed opponents.

What part of three (or more) armed men conspiring to take your life and initiating the action seems plausibly survivable? Having attended advanced Gunsite classes? 0.9s draw-from-concealment times? Uber BJJ skills?

The only way to live is for them to stop attacking you. You can't always meet that end by shooting them all. For example, go to a dojo that allows n-on-1 fights or to a medieval recreation event (a la SCA). Watch what happens when even a great fighter has to take on several inferior fighters. Extrapolate that to fighting with pistols, where your ability to block (e.g., get behind cover) is drastically impeded by comparison. Oh yeah, they can also throw shots faster and far, far more effectively (again, by comparison).

This is the exact reason all the punks, thugs and other craven little wannabes run in packs. Their effectiveness in both defense and offense is greatly increased. As a result, sometimes the best you can hope for is to take as many of them as you can with you. That, however, does not affect the fact that you are still very dead at the end of the encounter. Which means you lose.

Fortunately, it is often the case that after somebody fires a shot, everybody scatters. Attackers. Defenders. Bystanders. Bunnies. Dogs. Cats. Everybody. If it is the case that you fire and they all move to cover and return fire you are in fact royally screwed in more ways than one.

 

[carebear]

It ain't the way to bet, but in training I've occasionally taken out multiple armed opponents on my own. If you can survive the initial encounter, if they miss or initiate too early, actively aggressing can blow their pre-set plan and let you get inside their OODA loop.

Now this was USMC force-on-force "miles" and paintball stuff outdoors and urban but the key lessons transfer over.

It's better than just counting the opponents and curling up in the fetal position if there are more than 2.

 

[pwrtool45]

It ain't the way to bet, but in training I've occasionally taken out multiple armed opponents on my own. If you can survive the initial encounter, if they miss or initiate too early, actively aggressing can blow their pre-set plan and let you get inside their OODA loop.

Now this was USMC force-on-force "miles" and paintball stuff outdoors and urban but the key lessons transfer over.

Oh, I agree that it can happen, but how many times did you run through one of those scenarios and get plugged?

I've pulled some damn near miraculous saves. My most shiny moment of glory was at the last event and involved dodging several thrown hand weapons, a javelin and an arrow. All in succession. In full armor. A small (admittedly very small) circle of the melee actually stopped to watch. I was half expecting Agent Smith to pop out with a Claymore. Nonetheless, there are countless times where I got pegged (usually in the back) and was DRT. (FWIW, after all the above, I charged the guy that had tossed the javelin and got dispatched with a solid torso hit by an unseen someone on my right flank. I still don't know who gaked me.) As you say, it ain't the way to bet. It's definitely a damn shot better than nothing, but I think it pays to focus on more survivable matters. I just don't think it's wise to spend skill on what only luck can accomplish. Meanwhile, most of my practice will be presentation and firing while moving away and to cover. 1 or 100, stop the ride. I want off.

To phrase another way; if a small group of terrorists start shooting up FYE (to borrow from the "terrorists in the mall" thread) while I'm digging around trying to find a copy of John Christ's first album, then I'll make a go at trying to get through them to the exit before I curl up and wait my turn. However, I harbor no illusions that the end result (either way) will be me on a slab. It really doesn't matter to me if a take Mr. McVeigh II or Ackmed with me; I'm still dead, and that sucks.

 

[carebear]

Ok, "occasionally" might have been a bit..... "positively spun."

Still, beats just waiting for it.

On a similar note, in the movies (I know, but it had to happen ONCE in real life), when a person is forced to dig their own grave (Traffic springs to mind) why do they do it?

They've just been handed a weapon, a shovel (a polearm of a sort) and are being asked to participate in their own execution.

As for me, I'm going to take that 1% chance. Much like the mall record store, I'm not going to wait for it and I'm sure as heck not gonna die all dirty and sweaty in a hole.

 

[1911Ron]

Has anyone thought of or used one of the pager pals for carrying a spare mag? i have thought of it and wondered if it would work.

 

[YammyMonkey]

Mag carry: One in a Sparks IWB mag pouch but the holder is between belt and pants, much more comfortable and it conceals very well. Also carry a third in the cargo pocket of shorts if I'm wearing a pair that has them.

Why extras: Because it doesn't have any negative effect and unfortunately, you never know.

 

[Shadowman]

plenty o pockets

and there's room under the spare tire as well

 

[mountainclmbr]

The BGs usually try to pick a target they think is easy. It could be that you are alone going to an ATM (like I was). There were 4 or 5 of them and I used the confusion of them quarreling about who was goin to get me to grab my money and get back to my car. I had a Colt Pocket Pony Lite 380 in my pocket. Don't remember if it was 5, 6 or 7 shots because I felt so undergunned I got rid of it promptly. I had a Glock 30 in my car with spare mags.

If I was against 4 or 5 attackers I feel I need more than 1 bullet each. So I carry at least 2 spare mags now adays in a caliber of 40 or 45. If I am going to die anyway, I will take as many with me as my mags allow!

 

[BerettaNut92]

If going tuckable probably the left-front pocket.