How much abuse can a primer take before it complains?

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I don't know the answer, but it's much more than I expected.

The primer in the attachment pic got caught between the primer transfer bar, and the case feed plate mounting.

Normally, it would be obvious. But this one was a little different. It was the last primer in the stack, and for some reason it didn't feed correctly (not normally an issue), and must have ended up on the transfer bar.

I loaded more primers and started having trouble seating primers. So I pulled everything off the press - found the last case missing a primer. Look around - no primer to be seen. Odd, thought it was getting the very last one. Figured I must have screwed up. Try to seat a primer. No luck. Look around some more, nothing. Pulle off the shell plate, nothing. This was the start of a new box of primers, so compare primers, they look the same. Check case pockets, same depth. Same diameter. Chamfer the case pocket, same result. Check the primer push pin - it appears to be pushing up high enough (that last 0.030" isn't obvious). Look for debris, do a little cleaning, exercise the primer a couple times, nothing obvious.

I guess I didn't learn from Einstein about expecting different results, because I tried half a dozen cases before I gave that up.

Time for a full inspection, disassembly, whatever. Grab one of those little high power flashlights to start looking for things to maybe take off under the shellplate, and lo, there's a primer stuck to the bottom of the shell feed mount. Pop it loose, and discovered it was stuck into a flat head socket screw.

That little bump on the left is where it had extruded into the socket head, and it wasn't planning to drop off anytime soon. And it was just enough to keep a primer from fully seating. Little guy took a beating and never once complained about it.
 

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I also have crushed the snot out of multiple primers in the past with none of them going off. It takes a sharp impact to set one off from what I understand so we both were lucky. Slow and steady pressure when seating them seems to be the key.
 
Yep, stuff happens. Any time a human uses a tool designed by humans there is a chance of a faux pas. FWIW, I have been reloading for quite a while and the only times a primer popped when it wasn't supposed to was when I was using a Lee Loader in 38 Special (other Lee Loaders worked fine and the 38 gave me a surprise only once or twice out of 100). Evey primer feeder I have used will occasionally drop a crooked or even backwards primer, but for me, none have popped...
 
Considering the primer knows it can only complain once, I'd imagine they wait until you get it right up to your face.....;)
Well, that baby was riding the ram on underside of the shellplate base, so a delayed response would have been a few inches closer.
 
In general it takes a strike, not just being crushed, to make them go off.
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Where is the screw that belongs in the hole that the primer hid in? Is it running loose just waiting for a chance to prove Murphy right: "A dropped tool or part will always land where it will do the most damage".
 
Where is the screw that belongs in the hole that the primer hid in? Is it running loose just waiting for a chance to prove Murphy right: "A dropped tool or part will always land where it will do the most damage".

If a picture is worth anything at all...

I set the primer pack in front - 2 birds, 1 pic...

I should have mentioned that ram is fully raised, and the arrow points to the screw that was the primer's valentine.

Also, sorry about the orientation, not sure how to correct it here - I rotated it before uploading - must be a windows thing.
 

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Federal are normally the first to complain, since they are more sensitive. What brand were you using Win?

PMC - pic in above post. I found them at a local gun store a few years back that was obviously liquidating someone's old reloading stuff. They were like $15 a brick. I wasn't sure what to think, so just bought a couple bricks and tried a few out. They went bang, so I went back and got more. In retrospect, I should have bought them all on the spot, but missed out on a few K.
 
In general it takes a strike, not just being crushed, to make them go off.

Is that your collection of "special" primers? LOL. I've munched a few over the years, but it looks like you have taken that to the next level.
 
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