How Tax Cuts Work

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How Tax Cuts Work

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So, the next time you hear that they benefit the rich remember this little story:

Tax Cuts?

I was having lunch with one of my favorite friends last week - a very liberal college professor - and the conversation turned to the government's recent round of tax cuts.

"I'm opposed to those tax cuts," the Professor declared, "because they benefit the rich. The rich get much more money back than ordinary taxpayers like you and me and that's not fair."

"But the rich pay more in the first place," I argued, "so it stands to reason they'd get more money back."

I could tell that my friend was unimpressed by this meager argument.

So I said to him, "Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand:"

"Suppose that every day 10 men go to a restaurant for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100."

"If it was paid the way we pay our taxes,

The first four men paid nothing;
The fifth paid $1;
The sixth paid $3;
The seventh $7;
The eighth $12;
The ninth $18.
The tenth man (the richest) paid $59."
"The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until the owner threw them a curve."

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20.""

Now, dinner for the 10 only costs $80.

The first four are unaffected. They still eat for free. Can you figure out how to divide up the $20 savings among the remaining six so that everyone gets his fair share?

The men realize that $20 divided by 6 is $3.33, but if they subtract that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being paid to eat their meal.

The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same percentage, being sure to give each a break, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so now:


Along with the first four, the fifth man paid nothing,
The sixth pitched in $2,
The seventh paid $5,
The eighth paid $9,
The ninth paid $12,
Leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of $59.

Outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings, "I only got a dollar out of the $20," complained the sixth man, pointing to the tenth, "and he got $7!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!"

"That's true," shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor."

Then, the nine men surrounded the tenth man (the richest one, paying the most) and beat him up.

The next night the richest man didn't show up for dinner, so now the nine men sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something very important. They were $52 short!

And that, boys, girls and college professors, is how America's tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table any more. $ $ $

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Courtesy of Steve Odem
 
We have successfully taken most people off the tax roles. The upper brackets now pay the vast majority of all taxes. The situation is so whump sided that a taxcut focused on the bottom half of the income bracket will have no effect.

Second problem is when we enter into recessions that adversely impact the upper half of income earners the effect on revenue (tax generation) is disproportionately heavy.

So now we have the situation where most Americans pay no taxes and when those that do pay taxes go into a recession tax generation is severely reduced.

Its a major problem from a pragmatic standpoint much less a philosophical standpoint.

The reason Democrats want a payroll tax reduction is there is no more taxes they can take away from their constituenties. So go after social security tax.

Bad situation all around. Too bad we have no leaders with the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say, "Everyone ought to pay taxes."
 
Too bad we have no leaders with the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say, "Everyone ought to pay taxes."
I'm presuming that you aren't including leaders who support funding our government with a flat consumption tax.

They do exist...
 
A flat rate tax is an intellectual curiosity as is a national sales tax.

Regardless of which method is chosen there will be exemptions to "protect the poor" or "penalize the winners of life's lottery" or my personal favority "its for the children."

My choice? One national tax rate for income, corporate income, etc to be voted for just politicians go home to campaign for election. We spend too much time in hiding taxation. I think it ought to be clear as glass what the tax rate is.
 
Call me a capitalist, but I think there ought to be one tax rate. After the first $25,000 there should be a flat tax of 10 percent, no exceptions. As for the figure of 10 percent, The Government should get no more than GOD.
 
Excellent example. I'll have to hold on to it for the next time I have one of those arguments. The part about the rich person not showing up reminds me of Atlas Shrugged..

It pisses me off to no end that some folks live here for free when I pay so much. Even if you believe in graduated tax rates (which I don't), having so many people pay 0 is simply not fair.

A politician of any party who presents a serious plan for making everyone pay some sort of federal income tax will receive serious consideration (from me at least).

MJ
 
And remember, when they talk about the "wealthy" -- if you make more than about $80,000/yr, they're talking about you!

Gee, I didn't know that I didn't "work" for a living. Guess I can stop going to work, and it'll just keep rolling in.

-z
 
mjustice-
I also thought the part about the rich guy not showing up sounded vaguely like Atlas Shrugged

I'd like to know who's getting a free ride. The last job I had paid a meager $7.75/hr, and by my figuring, I was still paying something on the order of 26% of each paycheck to the IRS. (Yes, I figured the 14% taken for social security into that as I'm quite convinced that I'll never see a dime of that money.)
 
Russia has gone to a flat tax rate. From everything I've heard, the economy has really picked up as a result.

America will not decline from being a superpower because of outside threats. It will decline because it was eaten away from the inside in the name of 'fairness'.

Discourage high achievement and success through confiscatory tax rates. Encourage sloth by offering 'free' government services that the slothful never have to pay for. Use the stick to beat the rich so they make more carrots.

A lot of people fear china as a military threat, but I fear what would happen if they ever woke up from their communist dream and became a purely capitalistic society. Imagine 1 billion people working to produce the best products at the best prices, not serving the government but serving themselves. We'd be #2 before they could string two '5 year free market plans' together.
 
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