How to avoid over cleaning

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How To Avoid Over Cleaning 101

1- Get rid of all guns.
2- Get rid of all cleaning supplies
3- Shoot other folk's guns and let them worry about it. **
4- Never Shoot your guns.


** works best and is a lot of fun. :D

I just used a can of "Dust Off" to clean my CCW to get rid of Nelphs. One drop of oil on a pipe cleaner to lube what needed lubing. I spent more time applying more Carnuba Wax to external of slide and such than I did Unloading, taking slide off, making safe and putting back together.

I inspect and maintain. I don't do bores except when mud, snow or rain dictates otherwise. I concern myself with chambers, extraction , feeding and action.

Actually I just wanted to play with the Dust off , I was using it for something else along with the pipe cleaner... and was putting up the Mother's Car Wax from giving my truck a quick wax...my CCW was a afterthought...I did get caught in the mud and rain the other day...thought I'd take a looksee...
 
i clean handguns about like this, being convinced a gun can be over cleaned and suffer unessary wear therefrom. i have seen ppl after their bore like it was full of dirtdobber nests. i use a Boresnake, inspect it, and go from there. copper build up and soft lead bullets cause a cleaning chore unto themselves. silicon cloth takes care of exterior smudges. my guns are not ER clean, but, they look good and shoot good. i require nothing else. i particularly dont like an oily gun in an oilsoaked holster. first shot and lube blows all over your glasses. geeeze
 
You guys probably don't change the oil on your cars, either? After all, it's the same deal.. carbon deposits, quickly moving metal-on-metal parts with lots of force, and high temps. Might as well just leave that factory lube in there till the thing stops running, then clean it out.
 
I inspect and maintain.

I don't get all obsessive and compulsive about it- or anything else.

I change oil and filters too.

Yeah I was the guy with the "old man" looking car for a personal vehicle. Mine was paid for and always worked. I towed the race cars , dirt bikes I played with...also took other folks to the part stores and "speed shops". Yep the same folks obsessing and fretting and "fixing what was fixed" - that razed me.

I dunno , I was taught and mentored by some Gunnies. I recall very well I cleaned a 1911 ( I was about 7or 8) ...right proud I was too. Gunny tossed on the ground, in some mud and then kicked dirt on it. " I want you run it under that faucet and then shoot it". I did, it worked.

His point: He wanted me know how to "inspect and maintain". He also pointed out the ...err..."new guys" he kept busy cleaning guns, so to keep busy, to teach how to do a inspect and maintain and not take all day about it. They most likely would have to clean a gun in harsh enviroments with folks wanting to kill them..." I want them to know how to do it in their sleep, sleep depraved and dead bone tired" . They will learn these [1911s] will damn sure take a LOT of use / abuse before needing a bunch of stuff done to them.

Gunny could do a strip and clean so fast make one's head spin...he would do it a box without looking...

I don't get my shorts wadded up if I run a bit over the time or miles on a oil change either...most times I do it early...but if I drive 700 miles over getting back in town, I figure them 700 miles straight driven at eight miles minute ain't gonna a thing...

Still think folks need to spend monies on ammo, lessons and training moreso than cleaning kits and stuff...
 
Looking at the way US Army snipers are supposed to clean their rifles, I'm guessing there's no such thing as "overcleaning," only improper cleaning.

http://atiam.train.army.mil/portal/atia/adlsc/view/public/296758-1/fm/23-10/toc.htm

c. M24 SWS Cleaning Procedures. The M24 SWS must always be cleaned before and after firing.

(1) The SWS must always be cleaned before firing. Firing a weapon with a dirty bore or chamber will multiply and speed up any corrosive action. Oil in the bore and chamber of a SWS will cause pressures to vary and first-round accuracy will suffer. Clean and dry the bore and chamber before departure on a mission and use extreme care to keep the SWS clean and dry en route to the objective area. Firing a SWS with oil or moisture in the bore will cause smoke that can disclose the firing position.

(2) The SWS must be cleaned after firing since firing produces deposits of primer fouling, powder ashes, carbon, and metal fouling. Although ammunition has a noncorrosive primer that makes cleaning easier, the primer residue can still cause rust if not removed. Firing leaves two major types of fouling that require different solvents to remove--carbon fouling and copper jacket fouling. The SWS must be cleaned within a reasonable time after firing. Use common sense when cleaning between rounds of firing. Repeated firing will not injure the weapon if it is properly cleaned before the first round is fired.

(3) Lay the SWS on a table or other flat surface with the muzzle away from the body and the sling down. Make sure not to strike the muzzle or telescopic sight on the table. The cleaning cradle is ideal for holding the SWS.

(4) Always clean the bore from the chamber toward the muzzle, attempting to keep the muzzle lower than the chamber to prevent the bore cleaner from running into the receiver or firing mechanism. Be careful not to get any type of fluid between the stock and receiver. If fluid does collect between the stock and receiver, the receiver will slide on the bedding every time the SWS recoils, thereby decreasing accuracy and increasing wear and tear on the receiver and bedding material.

(5) Always use a bore guide to keep the cleaning rod centered in the bore during the cleaning process.

(6) Push several patches saturated with carbon cleaner through the barrel to loosen the powder fouling and begin the solvent action on the copper jacket fouling.

(7) Saturate the bronze bristle brush (NEVER USE STAINLESS STEEL BORE BRUSHES-THEY WILL SCRATCH THE BARREL) with carbon cleaner (shake the bottle regularly to keep the ingredients mixed) using the medicine dropper to prevent contamination of the carbon cleaner. Run the bore brush through at least 20 times. Make sure the bore brush passes completely through the barrel before reversing its direction; otherwise, the bristles will break off.

(8) Use a pistol cleaning rod and a .45 caliber bronze bristle bore brush, clean the chamber by rotating the patch-wrapped brush 8 to 10 times. DO NOT scrub the brush in and out of the chamber.

(9) Push several patches saturated with carbon cleaner through the bore to push out the loosened powder fouling.

(10) Continue using the bore brush and patches with carbon cleaner until the patches have no traces of black/gray powder fouling and are green/blue. This indicates that the powder fouling has been removed and only copper fouling remains. Remove the carbon cleaner from the barrel with several clean patches. This is important since solvents should never be mixed in the barrel.

(11) Push several patches saturated with copper cleaner through the bore, using a scrubbing motion to work the solvent into the copper. Let the solvent work for 10 to 15 minutes (NEVER LEAVE THE COPPER CLEANER IN THE BARREL FOR MORE THAN 30 MINUTES).

(12) While waiting, scrub the bolt with the toothbrush moistened with carbon cleaner and wipe down the remainder of the weapon with a cloth.

(13) Push several patches saturated with copper cleaner through the barrel. The patches will appear dark blue at first, indicating the amount of copper fouling removed. Continue this process until the saturated patches have no traces of blue/green. If the patches continue to come out dark blue after several treatments with copper cleaner, use the bronze brush saturated with copper cleaner to increase the scrubbing action. Be sure to clean the bronze brush thoroughly afterwards with hot running water (quick scrub cleaner/degreaser is preferred) as the copper cleaner acts upon its bristles as well.

(14) When the barrel is clean, dry it with several tight fitting patches. Also, dry the chamber using the .45 caliber bronze bristle bore brush with a patch wrapped around it.

(15) Run a patch saturated with rust prevention (not CLP) down the barrel and chamber if the weapon is to be stored for any length of time. Stainless steel barrels are not immune from corrosion. Be sure to remove the preservative by running dry patches through the bore and chamber before firing.

(16) Place a small amount of rifle grease on the rear surfaces of the bolt lugs. This will prevent galling of the metal surfaces.

(17) Wipe down the exterior of the weapon (if it is not covered with camouflage paint) with a CLP-saturated cloth to protect it during storage.
 
The shop owners and gunsmiths I know are definitely not impressed with people who don't clean their weapons. I've been told by several to clean them after each range session.
 
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