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repsychler
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How is assuring criminals a building full of unarmed victims ethical?
StLGlocker
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The manufacturing plant near Jeff City where the guy went in and shot seven of his co-workers had the same policy. Even the security guard was unarmed.
A policy only applies to people inclined to obey it. It doesn't "prevent" anything.
A policy only applies to people inclined to obey it. It doesn't "prevent" anything.
TallPine
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Ask them how on earth they "prevent firearms on our site." ?????
"Prohibiting" firearms does little or nothing to "prevent" them, except for the people who would do no harm in the first place.
"Prohibiting" firearms does little or nothing to "prevent" them, except for the people who would do no harm in the first place.
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Then how ethical are police departments? security companies?, the military?, Gov't agencies?
obstructing Liberty is unethical.
obstructing Liberty is unethical.
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Ethics apply only in the use of firearms. Most firearms use is lawful and there are some that are unlawful and unethical. We read about the latter far too often. With regards to the very existence of firearms, ethics has little bearing.
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Perhaps what I told my now Ex-Bank.When they posted a 3006 sign(texas version of no guns allowed),I told the bank manager That they would have just as good if not better luck posting a sign that said"Robery and Murder not allowed"I ask her what effect she thought that sign would have.Her reply,"why no effect".Then the next question if that sign doesnt work why do you think this sign will work? Answer:"Well thats just policy":banghead: Then as I closed both my business and personal accounts,she ask why?
Answer:"I don't do business,if I can help it with stupid people"
Perhaps what I told my now Ex-Bank.When they posted a 3006 sign(texas version of no guns allowed),I told the bank manager That they would have just as good if not better luck posting a sign that said"Robery and Murder not allowed"I ask her what effect she thought that sign would have.Her reply,"why no effect".Then the next question if that sign doesnt work why do you think this sign will work? Answer:"Well thats just policy":banghead: Then as I closed both my business and personal accounts,she ask why?
Answer:"I don't do business,if I can help it with stupid people"
Standing Wolf
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Jobs are a lot easier to replace than lives.
BogBabe
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The guy obviously uses a different definition of "ethical" than I do.
wendy
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when I read this I knew it would make Bogie really mad..
unfortunately my employer has the same policy
unfortunately my employer has the same policy
Hutch
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Depends on the circumstances. Sentences with the phrases "And the horse you rode in on", and "My fat, hairy.." come to mind. I guess it depends on the context.
seeker_two
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Airboss: Maybe your old bank should have put up a "No Armed Robbery Allowed" sign as well.
That would have made them safer...
That would have made them safer...
Waitone
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Wakefield. MA shooting the third victim was a New Hampshire resident and legal CCH holder. Because of the laws of MA he had to leave his sidearm at home to keep from breaking MA law. He was the third of 7 to die. Could he have saved himself and 4 others? Don't know. He never had a chance.
Meredian, MS Lockheed shooting one of the workers wounded had his hand shot up when he attempted to grab a shotgun out of the hand of the shooter. He was unsuccessful and others were killed and wounded. If armed could he have prevented unnecessary death and mayhem? Don't know, but we do know he was close enough to get his hand destroyed. How much more effective would he have been if his hand was filled with a .380 or a 9mm or a .40. He was close enough for a contact shot.
I suppose we will never know.
Meredian, MS Lockheed shooting one of the workers wounded had his hand shot up when he attempted to grab a shotgun out of the hand of the shooter. He was unsuccessful and others were killed and wounded. If armed could he have prevented unnecessary death and mayhem? Don't know, but we do know he was close enough to get his hand destroyed. How much more effective would he have been if his hand was filled with a .380 or a 9mm or a .40. He was close enough for a contact shot.
I suppose we will never know.
Teufelhunden
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Using this type of argument is a sure-fire way I've found of flustering antis. On a different forums, after a page of debate, mu opponent opined that all guns should be illegal and having one or attempting to get one should result in a 15 year jail sentence.
In frustration, I replied that such a measure was half-hearted; while we were at it, we should make assault, rape and murder illegal too--that would be sure to stop them then!
No reply from the other side...
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I have a concealed handgun permit.
I am an NRA certified instructor in Rifle, Pistol and Shotgun.
I am vice president of my company's gun club which is the largest employee's club at the company.
I have been certified by various branches of the government to be squeaky clean in every respect.
BUT...
My company will fire me if I leave a gun in my locked car while it is parked in the company parking lot. In spite of the fact that TX law says that the parking lot can not be considered part of a facility for the purpose of preventing concealed carry. That means that a VISITOR to the facility can not legally be prevented from leaving a gun in his car.
There is absolutely no possibility of carrying while at work, but at least they do provide armed security on the facility premises.
But I don't live next door to the company--I drive a round trip of about 80 miles unarmed due to the company policy on firearms. I've told my wife that if I am injured or killed in a crime during the time my company dictates that I be unarmed, she is to sue anyone and everyone even slightly connected with making the decisions that prevent me from carrying a firearm.
It won't help me, but it may make the rest of these knuckleheads think twice about their ridiculous "policies".
Just a couple of decades ago, the company actually had a shooting range on the facility property--now we've descended to not even allowing guns in locked cars in the parking lot.
I am an NRA certified instructor in Rifle, Pistol and Shotgun.
I am vice president of my company's gun club which is the largest employee's club at the company.
I have been certified by various branches of the government to be squeaky clean in every respect.
BUT...
My company will fire me if I leave a gun in my locked car while it is parked in the company parking lot. In spite of the fact that TX law says that the parking lot can not be considered part of a facility for the purpose of preventing concealed carry. That means that a VISITOR to the facility can not legally be prevented from leaving a gun in his car.
There is absolutely no possibility of carrying while at work, but at least they do provide armed security on the facility premises.
But I don't live next door to the company--I drive a round trip of about 80 miles unarmed due to the company policy on firearms. I've told my wife that if I am injured or killed in a crime during the time my company dictates that I be unarmed, she is to sue anyone and everyone even slightly connected with making the decisions that prevent me from carrying a firearm.
It won't help me, but it may make the rest of these knuckleheads think twice about their ridiculous "policies".
Just a couple of decades ago, the company actually had a shooting range on the facility property--now we've descended to not even allowing guns in locked cars in the parking lot.
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