HR1022 as a sales tactic; whose side are dealers on?

[Tim James]

You know what side you're on? Yeah, you -- pick a side.

Well everyone else is on the OTHER side. Sucker!

 

[grimjaw]

So you think some of us don't give a damn?

Correira, I didn't intend to single anyone out. The last time I checked FBMG's website (often, but I can only afford to windowshop) it didn't have anything like that as advertising. There aren't any vendors like you in my area, and most of my local ones would be able to do other business as the eeeeevil black guns aren't their only source of income.

I think I asked a valid question. I apologize if the wording of it offended you but you told me what wanted to know. Dealers do care about restrictions on the RKBA, some more than others.

jm

 

[Feanaro]

A gun business is still a business. I doubt they want HR1022 to pass anymore than Nabisco wants Oreos outlawed. But they also have to make money and "you need this 'cuz soon they won't be no mo'" makes a good ad. It's not mutually exclusive. You can fight HR1022 and make money from the "just in case" adverts.

 

[NeoSpud]

Rep. Adam Schiff

Wait... the old DA from Law and Order moved to California?

 

[Liberal Gun Nut]

I doubt any dealers are doing anything to promote HR 1022. They are taking advantage of it as a marketing tactic but it would strain belief to think that they are actively promoting it.

 

[bogie]

Clay from St. Louis is your typical St. Louis political lowlife... He's a wannabe Jesse Jackson, only without the eloquence.

Family history in northside politics too... Lots of allegations of corruption, etc., etc...

 

[Soybomb]

I've spent hundreds of hours trying to promote the RKBA, most of it without getting a fricking dime. But don't worry, here on the internet, I'm the Lord of War. I roll around on pallets of money.

You know what, AWB II passes, and I'm out of business. Period. Bankrupt. I run an evil black rifle store. 90% of what I sell would be banned by 1022.

You're one of my favorite posters here so don't take this the wrong way as I certainly mean no offense, but if the promotion of RKBA is essentially to your continued business (personal interest aside of course), I wouldn't say you don't get a dime. It actually seems directly tied your livelihood, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. Let me elaborate some since I feel like I've taken you out of context a little too.

Here's the way I look at it. Some dealers (and rkba organizations) will use bans to whip up a little hysteria and drive up sales numbers and donations. I actually think is not only ethical but probably a good thing. Their motivation to make some bucks (not that thats their only motivation) will first sell more scary black tactical assault ninja gear. Thats awesome, i want as many people as possible to have as much of this stuff as possible. It will give the laws a bigger impact, and make them harder to pass. It creates a means to notify gun owners that there's nasty new legislation proposed. We all love coming here and posting but alot of gun owners might not know much about whats going on in the gun world except for what they hear from their gun shop. If the gun shop can underwrite a proposed ban legislation notification postcard by putting some advertising in with it, thats great. They sell a couple black rifles and make some bucks, some people realize they need to contact their representative, and we have more EBR owners.

These shop owners, like Correia, know how devistating legislation like this would be to their business. There is absolutely no reason to think any real number of them would push for this type of legislation. While many of them might play it up a little as a scare factor, I'm not sure that isn't a good thing. The dealers care without a doubt. It really just seems like the free market working to help us keep our rkba.

 

[MD_Willington]

Have a HR1022 Discount

Have a stick it to them sale...


Examples;

• AWB's suck group buys on EBR's
• 5% off for anyone that buys an EBR cause they think AWB's suck...
• 2% off if you bring a buddy that buys an EBR
• 2% off ammo for EBR's...

Even with a discount, you could probably attain a higher profit via elevated sales.

 

[benEzra]

Yes, I think this is a marketing ploy. The dealers KNOW this wont pass, in any form, its just too stupid.

Yeah, that's what I thought about the original Feinstein ban in 1994. So instead of shelling out $100 of my scarce cash for a folder for my mini-14 (I was just married, things were tight), I put it off. Guess what, it passed, and I was stuck. I went ten years kicking myself before I was able to legally get one. Yes, I know I could have bought a preban that already HAD a folder for $800+ during the ban, but I couldn't afford it.

Fast forward to 2007. Yes, it looks like the Congressional leadership won't be dumb enough to commit AWB suicide again. BUT, I would hedge my bets, because Congress has done ludicrous things before (the Volstead Act comes to mind, as does the original AWB). If it looks like this thing starts to move, I'm buying an AR (already have a SAR-1) if I have to take out a loan to do it. Who knows if that might be my last chance to EVER buy one.

Again, I don't think the leadership will be that idiotic, but as Einstein reputedly said, there are only two things that are infinite--the universe, and human stupidity--and he wasn't sure about the former.

 

[RavenVT100]

I wish I knew what made the Democratic Party so mean spirited as to keep trying to do this. Most of them are smart enough to know that it has no appreciable effect on crime. I don't buy the idea that they've been "duped" into believing that it does--it's been over ten years since the first one. I used to be a pretty ardent supporter of the Dems until it became bleedingly obvious that they like to talk a lot these days and do very little. Legitimate issues like healthcare, the war, foreign policy, energy et cetera rot away while they focus on your guns. They hate Bush more than they hated Reagan, apparently, and yet they would rather have an eight-year Bush presidency than abandon the issue of gun prohibition.

I think this may have a little bit to do with the fact that the Dems have hung the "not welcome" sign on their big tent for so long that they know most gun owners are either going to be voting for the GOP or for a party other than them. So it's their way of getting revenge on those voters while simultaneously giving themselves a PR win.

If anyone here ever hung out on DU, check out how they have a "civil liberties" forum and they have a special forum for gun issues, where anything having to do with guns is banished to the "corner." And of course, people from other countries who are not Democrats and have no dog in the fight are welcome to post there, and rudely berate Americans for owning guns.

I have no idea how anyone can support that party to any appreciable degree and still be honest with themselves WRT this particular issue.

 

[GEM]

The Democrats focus on this because for them it is a totemic issue. I mean that since Republicans like guns, thus guns must be bad.

There are some legit concerns about keeping guns from criminals but that was not really the focus.

It is an identity issue for some of them. Hopefully, that might be evolving way as they see the need to keep the voters from the more progun venues.

It is the same reason why periodically the GOP raises the flag burning amendment. Clearly a violation of free speech but it gets their mirror image rabble all excited as it will be seen as totemic for annoying the left. Thus we see the conflict between the libertarians and the social authoritarians of the GOP.

No rational thought on either side with these identity issues.

 

[RavenVT100]

It is the same reason why periodically the GOP raises the flag burning amendment. Clearly a violation of free speech but it gets their mirror image rabble all excited as it will be seen as totemic for annoying the left. Thus we see the conflict between the libertarians and the social authoritarians of the GOP.

And here's the rub--this is what makes the issue for me, personally.

When was the last time you heard of someone going to jail for burning a flag? For having an abortion? For engaging in homosexual behavior? GOP candidates very frequently run on platforms that are against these things, again, as totems. And I have yet to see anyone's life get ruined by these policies in any large amount of numbers, probably because nothing happens with regard to these issues. It's a bunch of hot air.

Meanwhile the Democrats are successfully passing vague, arbitrary, and capricious gun legislation left and right, and otherwise completely innocent people get snared by this and go to prison every year. The party has made it abundantly clear that the Bill of Rights isn't really a tangible thing; it's merely a political tool for them to pull from their pocket when it's time to criticize President Bush. And that's truly awful, because there are extremely legitimate civil liberties concerns regarding things like the Iraq war, the WoD/WoT and post 9/11 legislation such as the PATRIOT act. And yet it is blatantly obvious that the Dems are only against these things because the GOP is for them. When non-urban, rural voters who are traditionally GOP supporters are having their civil rights violated, the Dems wax gleeful.