I have a match scoring problem, OPINIONS WANTED

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dukeofurl

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Today I set up and ran my match - I have a contreversy that I could use some other peoples thoughts on.

We had one blind stage set up. I made it fairly single stack friendly with 5 shoot targets, and 3 no shoots.

My first shooter started going at it, caught a procedural and *POP* - he was halfway through his malfunction drill when my squib sense went off. Sure enough he had a bullet stuck in the barrel. I pasted it all back and went to the next shooter.

Ran everyone else through and advanced through the rest of the match. I wasnt sure how to treat a squib so I wasnt about to hold up 10 people in the florida heat for 15 minutes as I pawed through the rulebook.

As the heat wore on we all became more and more insane, which was a good thing on a few stages I set up. Eventually we hit the end and a question was posed - Does someone who squibs get a reshoot?

The answer was for the most part that a shooter catching a squib from their own reloads isnt intentional and in the spirit of the game, the competitor should be offered the chance to run again.

HOWEVER, this was a blind stage. The competitor gets an inherent advantage on the 2nd run as they see everything that is in there - as does the person running the shooter (me). So a decision was made that all the targets would be re-arranged for me and Mr. Squib. I made it known that the target sequence should be changed ONLY and that distance be kept same and that nothing else be moved.

Of course, nobody listened to me. Not only was the target sequence changed, but:

A no shoot was stapled directly onto a threat target (as opposed to the previous position of 2 feet next to) - leaving just a head and thoracic triangle.

A shoot target was shrouded with 50% hard cover (I knew I should have locked up the spray paint) - leaving the head and thoracic triangle.

A non-threat target was positioned at a far distance behind a set of crates, approx 40 feet. The non threat was moved and a threat target positioned in its place.

Therefore, when I ran I still kicked some serious butt - hit a no shoot though. Mr. Squib ran this course as well and both our times were tabulated into the match score.

Item of Debate: Do I throw out the blind stage?

It seems to me that it should be thrown out. If a course is run with X number of targets at X distance for 8 shooters, and then the course becomes more difficult due to the use of new hard cover, new no-shoot placement, and increased distance to one threat target - how is that fair to all the competitors if 2 different standards are being held?

Additionally - My club point series is affected by the fact that my squad didnt listen to me. We had 4 club members shooting, and the difference that I get if I throw out the blind stage is that a shooter who placed 2nd in division today gets bumped to 3rd and vice versa.

Can I get opinions on what your idea of "the right thing to do" is?
 
In a sanctioned match, the shooter would not get a reshoot. The only time a shooter gets a reshoot is when there is either a range equipment failure or SO error. For a club match, it's pretty much up to the MD.

With regards to blind stages. I do not think they should be in sanctioned matches. To many problems to deal with.
 
I was at a substantial sanctioned match two weeks ago. I saw softhearted SOs allow three reshoots for gun/ammo malfunctions on my squad alone. Beginners at club shoots are one thing, but we need to tighten up on the experienced competitors when there are widely publicized winners announced.

Blind stages are difficult and should not be in major matches. I was one of the few people with detached enough viewpoint to enjoy the Florida State with three blind stages, three more with partial surprise elements, and a darkhouse. I had a good time, but things moved very slowly and they got a lot of complaining. I sent them a recommendation to have a separate Surprise Championship with fewer entries.
 
This was a club level match, I didnt want to send people packing with a "range nazi" mentality nor did I want to break the rules.

"Blind stages are difficult and should not be in major matches. I was one of the few people with detached enough viewpoint to enjoy the Florida State with three blind stages, three more with partial surprise elements, and a darkhouse."

I agree. I was working the dark house on Sunday at FL states - I think my chances of liver cancer increased by a factor of 10, sucking in everyones lead and .45 exhaust fumes.

Unconfirmed reports of people sneaking into the house for pictures floated around - team V also was speaking in spanish so the SO's couldnt give them a FTDR for blabbing about the house.
 
Not that this helps now, but if you want to run a lot of blind stages, it would probably be better if the SO didn't shoot that week. Would solve the problem. Then if a shooter needed a reshoot the SO could rearrainge the targets and have more control.
As for your situation, I would probably throw out the stage for the two shooters. I realize this would be a harsh penalty on them, but it would be more fair to the others.
 
If you have a squib, you shouldn't get a reshoot. You get the Zero or DNF for the stage.
If the range officer thinks there was a squib and stops the competitor and it turns out there was no squib, then yeah, give him a reshoot.
you should throw the stage out, it was changed, and no longer presented the same challenge to all the shooters. How can you score one another fairly against something that wasn't the same for everyone?
 
having properly functioning equipment is the duty of the shooter, and its part of the game. No reshoots for malfuntions or poor decisions on the SHOOTER'S part. Now for a club match i don't think it really matters that much.
 
I personally think you should just leave it alone. If you go and throw it out then you are going to have some bitter people. Since it just a game I think that keeping peace would probably be better then pissing everyone off.
 
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