My younger brother came out to visit. After church we did the mandatory test each other's new guns. I brought out my H&R 35 Whelen and we shot a few water jugs and steel with it. He was amazed at the way it vaporized water jugs and wants to find one.
I made a new medium bore fan today.
- Thread starter Bfh_auto
- Start date
- Status
Riomouse911
Member
It's one heck of a versatile round for sure 
.
There is nothing here in the US/Canada that it won't handle, and it doesn't knock your fillings loose either. Hopefully he finds one that he likes and you two can develop some loads for him to use.
Stay safe!
.There is nothing here in the US/Canada that it won't handle, and it doesn't knock your fillings loose either. Hopefully he finds one that he likes and you two can develop some loads for him to use.
Stay safe!
I love my 375H&H. But I still want a 35 Whelen. They are just cool.
Mowgli Terry
Member
35 Whelen: Top loads, unless things have changed, are in the same ball part as 338 WinMag.
Captcurt
Member
It's close depending on which manual you check. My old Speer book is 200-300 fps less than a 338. My newer Hornady shows only about 150 fps difference. I could stick a 250 gr in a Whelen and never feel underguned.
Mowgli Terry
Member
The whole power thing was tilted since my rifle has a 26" barrel. The other Whelen rifle has a 22" barrel and has not been chronographed. Right, the cartridge is such that nobody is undergunned. That is, unless there are still Tyrannosaurus Rex roaming about.
BusMaster007
Member
My T-Rex medium-bore is a .375 RUM.
BRUTALLY satisfying!
BRUTALLY satisfying!
Mowgli Terry
Member
If I recall the Whelen came along where there was no economical alternative for 375 H&H's. There was considerable discussion if Whelen had anything to do with the design. The real designer was James V. Howe. Stuff got pretty heated. Overtime, the consensus is like the OP expressed. The Whelen is plenty of cartridge for any appropriate hunting. Also, remember the Eskimo people hunt Polar Bears with 222 Remington's 
Whelen works well on the Tyrannosaurus Rex being thin skinned etc.
Whelen works well on the Tyrannosaurus Rex being thin skinned etc.
KnightHawk
Member
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2018
- Messages
- 187
Haven't found a 35 cal I don't like, 35 Whelen, 358 Win, 35 Rem, 35 Win, 357 mag. I don't see the need for a 358 Norma mag
Riomouse911
Member
IMHO The .358 Norma mag wasn’t an answer to any real situation...other than maybe being a slightly more modern .35 Newton; too much Horsepower for most North American game (on both ends of the rifle!) but too small a bore in many African countries to use on the big stuff its best suited for.
.35 W and .358 W are just about perfect for any NA hunts, and my favorite .35, the .35 Rem, is perfect for deer-hogs-black bear in short range situations.
Stay safe!
.35 W and .358 W are just about perfect for any NA hunts, and my favorite .35, the .35 Rem, is perfect for deer-hogs-black bear in short range situations.
Stay safe!
It's one heck of a versatile round for sure
There is nothing here inm
Speer has data using new powders. You can get a 250 up to 2700 fps. Or 3170 with a 180. This is book velocities. The wind broke my Chrono and I haven't replaced it yet.
Mowgli Terry
Member
A keeper: I do have a post 64 Model 70 Winchester now in 35 Whelen. The rifle now has a Neidner buttplate, rosewood fitting and hand checkered stock. The rifle was originally a 22-250. Many years ago the rifle had been rebored and rerifled to 35 Whelen. The forend tip had broken and the rifle was taken to be fixed. The gunsmith opened the floor plate as asked what is this. Explained that blocks, if any, had been removed and bolt stop altered. He offered to use his laser engraver to mark caliber. Shot the rifle while thinking of trading. The rifle gives excellent accuracy. It's gonna stay where it is! Back in the late 1970's it was possible to get this kind of work done to standard factory rifles. This rifle has also been re-bedded. Kinda of an interesting gun. Check out 35 Griffin & Howe magnum. OP get you a 35 Whelen without delay!
Addendum: I am aware of how far plastic from a Chrony will fly when it by a full bore 375 H&H handload using 300gr. Hornady bullets. Don't ask me how this research was done.
Addendum: I am aware of how far plastic from a Chrony will fly when it by a full bore 375 H&H handload using 300gr. Hornady bullets. Don't ask me how this research was done.
Either of those would make a great armadillo rifle.
350RM is essentially a short action 35 Whelen that was placed in the wrong rifle. Just another one of Remington's failings at correctly marketing a good cartridge.
Riomouse911
Member
The .358 Norma mag wasn’t an answer to any real problem other than maybe being a slightly more modern .35 Newton; too much Horsepower for most North American game and too small a bore for many African countries to use on the big stuff its suited for.
Loon, Your recoil tolerance is much higher than mine!! I max out at the .338 Win.... and even that’s pushing it. The .358 NM is a real thumper!!
It may have been a bit more of a success if Norma actually had loaded ammunition when introduced, and maybe some rifle makers fired up to build them immediately, instead of just bringing out components and chamber reamers for custom makers (and this is a stretch).
It is a NA-centric big game cartridge for sure, and it’s certainly one that’ll get guys talking on the range.
Stay safe!
Loon, Your recoil tolerance is much higher than mine!! I max out at the .338 Win.... and even that’s pushing it. The .358 NM is a real thumper!!
It may have been a bit more of a success if Norma actually had loaded ammunition when introduced, and maybe some rifle makers fired up to build them immediately, instead of just bringing out components and chamber reamers for custom makers (and this is a stretch).
It is a NA-centric big game cartridge for sure, and it’s certainly one that’ll get guys talking on the range.
Stay safe!
gotboostvr
Member
I've long been a medium bore fan.
Woulda kept my 35Rem Marlin 336 if it was permitted for Ohio's Whitehall population.
Instead, I built a 357Max Encore and WILL be acquiring either a 350 ledgend AR or bolt gun if not both.
Woulda kept my 35Rem Marlin 336 if it was permitted for Ohio's Whitehall population.
Instead, I built a 357Max Encore and WILL be acquiring either a 350 ledgend AR or bolt gun if not both.
I've wanted a 357max for a long time. The right one hasn't fallen in my lap though.
.35 caliber RULES!!!!
The most accurate rifle I’ve ever had was a 358 NM, on an Interarms Mark X action-my wife lovingly referred to her as my “other woman”. My favorite & most accurate lever-action was a Marlin in .356 Win.; also had 2 Winnies in .356. Still have our .35 Whelen (my 1st “mid-bore”, which solidified my on the .35 caliber) which is what my wife uses whenever she hunts (& took a darn-near 1000 # moose with it with 1 shot).
We had just moved into our 1st house when I had the opportunity to buy a .358 NM Ackley-Improved, with documentation that the improving was done by none other than Mr. Ackley...an unusual case of restraint hit me, and I have regretted passing it up for many years.
In regard to who ‘actually’ developed the .35 Whelen, I recall reading in a book, by Col. Whelen, that he & James Howe we’re beating their heads against a wall trying to develop the .400 Whelen, but simply could not come up with enough shoulder on the .30-06 case. Whelen stated plainly that while he was...doing something (hunting, a conference, something with the Army-I don’t recall exactly) that it was Howe who decided to drop down to .358 and came up with the cartridge, but Howe (again, IIRC) insisted it be named the .35 Whelen.
Unfortunately, being somewhat recoil-proof in my shoulder led to damage to my retinas over time and I had to let everything go...except the Whelen. The Norma, the Marlin & the Winchesters sat in the safe for a few years before I finally accepted that just because ‘I’ couldn’t shoot them anymore didn’t mean nobody else could, and reminiscing about them was preventing others from enjoying them, so I sold them all off. 1 of the Winnie’s went to my best friend for what it cost me, along with dies, bullets, brass, etc. The others turned a VERY nice profit for me, but it was, indeed, bittersweet.
Sam
The most accurate rifle I’ve ever had was a 358 NM, on an Interarms Mark X action-my wife lovingly referred to her as my “other woman”. My favorite & most accurate lever-action was a Marlin in .356 Win.; also had 2 Winnies in .356. Still have our .35 Whelen (my 1st “mid-bore”, which solidified my on the .35 caliber) which is what my wife uses whenever she hunts (& took a darn-near 1000 # moose with it with 1 shot).
We had just moved into our 1st house when I had the opportunity to buy a .358 NM Ackley-Improved, with documentation that the improving was done by none other than Mr. Ackley...an unusual case of restraint hit me, and I have regretted passing it up for many years.
In regard to who ‘actually’ developed the .35 Whelen, I recall reading in a book, by Col. Whelen, that he & James Howe we’re beating their heads against a wall trying to develop the .400 Whelen, but simply could not come up with enough shoulder on the .30-06 case. Whelen stated plainly that while he was...doing something (hunting, a conference, something with the Army-I don’t recall exactly) that it was Howe who decided to drop down to .358 and came up with the cartridge, but Howe (again, IIRC) insisted it be named the .35 Whelen.
Unfortunately, being somewhat recoil-proof in my shoulder led to damage to my retinas over time and I had to let everything go...except the Whelen. The Norma, the Marlin & the Winchesters sat in the safe for a few years before I finally accepted that just because ‘I’ couldn’t shoot them anymore didn’t mean nobody else could, and reminiscing about them was preventing others from enjoying them, so I sold them all off. 1 of the Winnie’s went to my best friend for what it cost me, along with dies, bullets, brass, etc. The others turned a VERY nice profit for me, but it was, indeed, bittersweet.
Sam
Mowgli Terry
Member
Now this is a brown memory from the last century. There was an attempt to convert a 141 to 35 Whelen. The action was designed for 35 Remington size cartridges. Too much pressure with the Whelen. It's a great idea but way too complicated and stressed that action. Think about the work to convert the carrier and magazine tube!
Probably a lot less than when they used spears.
I don't think I've seen a rem 141 in person. The 7600 would be a beast.
Mowgli Terry
Member
The Eskimo people had upgunned from the 22 Hornet. All this has to with hunting skills and marksmanship. Go figure how many went under at the hands of the bear?
KnightHawk
Member
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2018
- Messages
- 187
Nice 141, like the receiver site on earlier rifles
FlSwampRat
Member
I read on the internet that the last T-Rex they used for Jurassic Park died about a month ago.
The Whelen is one of the less common calibers I've come across in various ammo buys across the pawn counter. Eventually someone comes in and asks for one of the less mainstream cartridges and they do sell eventually. Gotta realize, south Florida has no deer bigger than a German Shep. Not much hunting down here but for boar in the 'Glades and a .44 mag revolver or 10 mm pistol works just fine on them and is a lot easier to hump around the sawgrass.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked
