I won't own a gun that won't function with any ammo I feed it

[Ignition Override]

Aluminum-cased ammo reportedly (sometimes) has rim grooves which are narrower than the grooves on brass-cased ammo.
The only minor issues I've seen with my CZ PO1 began when I mistakenly bought a (white) box of an aluminum brand which Academy sells. Several aluminum cases either didn't quite fully extract or eject.

Please avoid Winchester "Forged" 9mm, in the black/brown boxes. What a bunch of crap. Is it US made? I've never seen so many weird issues in just 50 rds. with Any brand of commercial retail ammo.
This stuff makes Tula look extremely high quality by comparison. The guy on the Military Arms Channel had the first malfunctions in several favorite handguns with this Winchester junk.

Tula .40 sometimes didn't have enough recoil to cock the Sig P229's hammer.
White box, US-made Winchester had a similar issue in the CZ 75D PCR..

Brown Bear a few times needed a second hammer strike in the ('98) Sig P225, due to extra hard primers. But so what…. guys probably don't use low-cost practice ammo to fight ISIS or arrest gang members.
* All of these guns have been perfect with brass-cased retail ammo.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I have a Beretta 950 .25 ACP. I've fired well over 1,000 rounds of various brands of ammo through it with never a hiccup. (Meticulously cleaned and lubed after firing)

A well made, and maintained, weapon will always be reliable.

There is a reason they teach malfunction drills. If you really believe every semi-automactic, or any semi-automactic will always fire, and you never train for a malfunction, then, you just might be putting your life in danger.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Whoever said that must not own many .22 semis.

Or a USGI carbine.

 

[OneFreeTexan]

I have been shooting Winchester Brown Box, local hardware store has it less than $7 a box,, and all my 9’s eat it with no problem.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Aluminum-cased ammo reportedly (sometimes) has rim grooves which are narrower than the grooves on brass-cased ammo.
The only minor issues I've seen with my CZ PO1 began when I mistakenly bought a (white) box of an aluminum brand which Academy sells. Several aluminum cases either didn't quite fully extract or eject.

Please avoid Winchester "Forged" 9mm, in the black/brown boxes. What a bunch of crap. Is it US made? I've never seen so many weird issues in just 50 rds. with Any brand of commercial retail ammo. This stuff makes Tula look extremely high quality by comparison. The guy on the Military Arms Channel had the first malfunctions in several favorite handguns with this Winchester junk.

Tula .40 sometimes didn't have enough recoil to cock the Sig P229's hammer.
White box, US-made Winchester had a similar issue in the CZ 75D PCR..

Brown Bear a few times needed a second hammer strike in the ('98) Sig P225, due to extra hard primers. But so what…. guys probably don't use low-cost practice ammo to fight ISIS or arrest gang members.
* All of these guns have been perfect with brass-cased retail ammo.

And I bet he did not toss the gun in the trash simply because it did not eat that crap.He found a ammo that the gun would not eat, and most likely is still enjoying the gun with other ammo the gun likes. Personally I will not buy WW. I have some now that I will not feed in any gun I have and tried it out with a number of range buddies with their guns. Have had bad batches before. I am sure some will say there gun will eat it. Sure it will.I wonder if some high end guns with very tight tolerances will eat all cheap ammo including steel cased ammo? Something tells me, they won't.

 

[Dibbs]

There's an expression:

"You're only as old as you feel, so STOP feeling old people!"

In auto-loader parlance, simply know your gun's limitations. If a certain type of ammo
won't feed well, then just don't use that ammo. I find as I shoot less quantity, I procure
better ammo.

But you're limiting yourself severely, if every gun you have HAS to hork down any type of
garbage ammo out there. What you're basically saying is that unless your gun will shoot that Wolf
steel cased crap, you won't buy it?

 

[Good Ol' Boy]

I'm so very happy for those of you who don't have to worry about practicing malfunction drills. You all are what we all aspire to be.

In the meantime, back in the real world the rest of us will continue to deal with our subpar guns.

No need to reply as we're not even in the same universe. You keep shooting with no worries and we'll keep dealing with our reality.

 

[jono]

My Hi-Standard H-D .22 with all the Olympic bells and whistles.doesn’t like Remington .22 cheapies at all.
Never had an issue with other brands, but it’s the best damned .22 pistol I have...

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I'm so very happy for those of you who don't have to worry about practicing malfunction drills. You all are what we all aspire to be.

In the meantime, back in the real world the rest of us will continue to deal with our subpar guns.

No need to reply as we're not even in the same universe. You keep shooting with no worries and we'll keep dealing with our reality.

I just did a search on 9mm and if you do not count "unkown" which there are many, I saw 70 different ammo manufacturers. Man, that must be a chore to shoot them all. And what a bummer it must be for some to find out the gun they bought did not like one of the 70.I guess you just buy another gun and start all over.

 

[mjsdwash]

Maybe even throw a few of those bad boys in with some of your "good" ammo so you come to expect something to go wrong every now and then. It's a good mindset to have.

When I have a dud, I throw it back in with the cheap range reloads. Maybe next time it will fire, if not, decent exercise. A friend found the last one, looked confused, didn't know what to do. Never had to clear a stoppage before.

 

[mjsdwash]

this thread reminds me of the many time at the indoor public range seeing people with "hi end", or "nice" guns. Sigs/Kimber type stuff, but glocks, Colts, others. Jams, stoppages, malfunctions... Look over, "Its this crap ammo!, this thing never jams!". I don't know. I load some CHEAP, ammo fast on the auto press, and its better than that. Some people don't want to admit its a gun problem. Most of the time its a simple problem, but they will throw it in the closet, and in 6 months, shoot it again, get mad it doesn't work, blame the ammo.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

I was at the range one day and a guy was bad mouthing a Ruger SR9C like crazy. Also the customer service as he had sent it in. I heard him and asked him if I could shoot the gun. Shot fine. Turned out he was riding the slide.

It seems as if there are two views on firearms.

1) I won't own a gun that will not shoot any ammo.
2) I will not own ammo that will not shoot out of my gun. Obviously, I am of the latter. I do own guns that will not shoot any ammo, but do exceedingly well with the ammo I chose. Just part of knowing your gun.(and some ammo more accurate for me when shooting than others)

 

[SamT1]

There is a reason they teach malfunction drills. If you really believe every semi-automactic, or any semi-automactic will always fire, and you never train for a malfunction, then, you just might be putting your life in danger.

i think that’s an exaggeration. Even the best guns get dirty and stop. Lots of ways to train for stoppages without having a gun your expecting to malfunction. Shoot lots of steel case and you’ll be guaranteed to have a FTF here and there. Get a gun dirty and dry and you’ll have some stoppages too.

 

[SamT1]

But you're limiting yourself severely, if every gun you have HAS to hork down any type of
garbage ammo out there. What you're basically saying is that unless your gun will shoot that Wolf
steel cased crap, you won't buy it?

Darn right. I don’t but commercial ammo besides 22LR (not reliable at all) and 223. So I donno how bad some steel case pistol ammo can be. But if an AR won’t run on steel case it’s gonna get sold fast. I’ll even feel bad dumping it, but I guess I shouldn’t since so many here want them for training. Maybe a guy can get a premium if somethings guaranteed to Jam once a mag. I saw an AR the other day a guy was selling that he disclosed wouldn’t feed from P mags if anyone is interested in a training gun.

Like someone else mentioned I load lots of progressive loaded cheap cheap semi auto pistol ammo. I have plenty of pistols that eat it reliably. I only expect to have stoppages after 100 or so rounds when things get dirty from the cheap powder and lead lubed bullets, a really fine weapon will keep going when it’s filthy though.

I went on vacation last week. I took my AR10 out of my pickup. It was so dirty I had to pogo it to unload it to put it in the safe. I know I’ve reloaded the magazine atleast once since noticing I couldn’t eject a round using the charging handle. I’d say that’s reliable.

 

[RecoilRob]

I have some Brown Bear 9mm here that won't eject in any of 9 pistols and carbines it's been tried in....so I think it's safe to say this particular ammo isn't very good and if someone expects their gun to run it....good luck with that.

Also a mention that physically people are very different and some guns just won't work for some people regardless of the ammo being used. This is not a gun or ammo problem...it's a people problem. Case in point is my Colt Delta 10m which is pretty darn reliable in my hands but give it to most women and it won't eject and feed even one round. Have seen this with 3 or 4 women now and it's just the gun needs a firm hold to function....as many do.

A female friend went to a womans CC license class and took her Taurus 85 revolver and was the only wheelgun shooter there. The Instructor was pleased and mentioned that he'd not expect her to have any problems...and she didn't, while he spent the entire range sessions going from woman to woman clearing all manner of malfunctions. All the semi-auto pistols being used weren't faulty....but inexperienced operators can make even a well made and fully functional weapon look bad. The Army and their recent 'issues' with the new SIG's are a good example of this where just a handful of shooters accounted for the vast majority of problems and SIG haters tried to make a big deal of it. Can't be the shooters fault....must be the guns!! Wouldn't want anyone to feel bad that they are just unable to follow simple instructions and make a gun work.

 

[Old Dog]

Seems to me that this thread is not really about guns or ammo, just quibbling about semantics as some choose to interpret others' posts to mean other than what is expressed. Sometimes an OP puts forth a thread and has to keep coming back to argue with those whom he disagrees, even to the extent of (figuratively) putting words in some else's mouth ...

Anyway, I think it's great that some of you choose to keep guns that ensure you'll have to regularly practice malfunction-clearing drills. (See what I did there? I can do it, too.)

Then there's this (yeah, I know there's no need to reply, but I can't resist spot-lighting unnecessary snark):

I'm so very happy for those of you who don't have to worry about practicing malfunction drills. You all are what we all aspire to be.

In the meantime, back in the real world the rest of us will continue to deal with our subpar guns.

No need to reply as we're not even in the same universe. You keep shooting with no worries and we'll keep dealing with our reality.

I re-read the entire, strange thread, and gosh, it sure appears some folks way over-think stuff ... like this thread that reminds me of someone who constantly complains about having headaches and being sick from hangovers, but opens up a new bottle every night. Then there's those who like to take issue with silly stuff said on the internet ... I get it, really -- I can't sleep either when someone is wrong on the internet.

 

[billybob44]

I have heard of the years some internet poster say "I won't own a gun that won't function with any ammo I feed it". This phrase usually comes after some owner posted a failure with a certain ammo or just a a malfunction.
Is there really a gun made that will actually feed any recent ammo made, no matter what the quality? Would you get rid of a gun simply because it did not feed a certain ammo? Sounds like a ridiculous statement, but you know the internet.

^^^From this post, yes, I have several Remington 700's that will feed ANY Factory ammo that is the same caliber that is stamped on the barrel...Bill..

 

[Ignition Override]

Jeb Stuart: Roger that.

No way would I have gotten rid of the 100% German Sig P225, P229, CZ PO1, the CZ 75D PCR simply due to a few weak rounds of Tula------ or the Much worse "Forged" by Winchester.

Note: I almost never buy commercially-reloaded ammo.
A newish Sig 232 had a **stuck bullet in the chamber due to a squib** which had been comm. reloaded, by a company near Memphis TN, sold in the bright orange boxes.

 

[JohnKSa]

I've got one pistol that reliably chugs through all the Win Forged steel case ammo I can feed it--as well as just about any other brand or type of ammo I've put through it. But it can't get through a single box of S&B FMJ without at least 3 failures to go fully into battery--the S&B is just a hair oversize for the chamber. After reading this thread, I can't decide if it's the best pistol I own, or the worst...

 

[rpenmanparker]

I've got one pistol that reliably chugs through all the Win Forged steel case ammo I can feed it--as well as just about any other brand or type of ammo I've put through it. But it can't get through a single box of S&B FMJ without at least 3 failures to go fully into battery--the S&B is just a hair oversize for the chamber. After reading this thread, I can't decide if it's the best pistol I own, or the worst...

Lemme known when you figure it out. A universal problem.

 

[9mmfan]

Depends on the gun.

Historical or curiosity, I’m not that picky.

Only thing I own what comes to mind is my M1 Rifle.

Can’t run down to Wal Mart & grab a box of ammo. (I have an aftermarket gas plug for it, but haven’t installed it.)

Further reckoning says my 1920 M&P .38 calls for a careful selection of ammo.

Arguments regarding the dumbing down of .38 in the 70’s notwithstanding.

Everything else I have has been fairly forgiving as far as ammo selection.

In particular anything that would have “serious” use.

That being said, my repro M1 Carbine was cranky, though ammo type didn’t seem to be the issue.

It has been growing more friendly of late with use.

Haven’t put my 10/22 through the wringer, but it’s been pretty easy going.

Everything else has worked as advertised.

 

[orionengnr]

Since I started handloading ten years ago or so, an individual gun's idiosyncracies may not bother me, if I really like the gun.
Perfect examples are a Kimber Solo CDP that I picked up cheap (used), and Kahr CW380 that was cheap new.

Both took a few hundred rounds to start showing me some love, and now both are now keepers.

P.S. Both now work with any ammo.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Since I started handloading ten years ago or so, an individual gun's idiosyncracies may not bother me, if I really like the gun.
Perfect examples are a Kimber Solo CDP that I picked up cheap (used), and Kahr CW380 that was cheap new.

Both took a few hundred rounds to start showing me some love, and now both are now keepers.

P.S. Both now work with any ammo.

Good point. While I am a Pico fan, I have the Kahr 380 as well. Love the little gun and like yourself, it had a few hiccups. However investing a little time was well worth it. It has tight tolerances, and well made, top quality. I also have a Ruger LCR9mm which I love. It did not take long to find the best ammo for the gun, and now 4 years later of heavy shooting, it is my go to revolver. Would not think of getting rid of it.

 

[paulsj]

I've got one pistol that reliably chugs through all the Win Forged steel case ammo I can feed it--as well as just about any other brand or type of ammo I've put through it. But it can't get through a single box of S&B FMJ without at least 3 failures to go fully into battery--the S&B is just a hair oversize for the chamber. After reading this thread, I can't decide if it's the best pistol I own, or the worst...

Anything that chugs Winchester Forged, Tulammo, Russian Bear,....' should be kept and cherished. My G26 finally had stoppage which occured with Federal HST Micro, but that's ok because that will be next gun to go. Should have kept one of Russian Makarovs as those chuged everything w/o stoppages.

 

[FROGO207]

Funny------I have a S&W 645 and several 5906 pistols. Both types of them will and do shoot anything I feed them without complaint. Two of the easiest firearms I own to load for as well. It must be the stainless steel alloy the use that makes them work so well. I even tried to feed empty sized brass in the 645 just to see if it would (somebody else bragged theirs would) and it fed fine for the whole MAG as I manually operated the slide.