Idle thought about CCW

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I probably should’ve research this myself, but I’m feeling lazy today,,,,,,I know there are ‘holsters’ that do not look like holsters, such as cell phone cases, fanny packs, back packs and whatever....So it is concealed carry.
I am wondering about a military type holster from back in the day.....all leather, and the gun is fully enclosed,,,not visible at all.....Okay, so some one can see that it is a gun holster, but no gun is visible....so what is it.

Oh, and by the way Michigan is an open carry state......and I have a CCW. So what do you think
 
Probably count as 'printing' in states that prohibit printing...
I dont think it would count as concealed. It would likely be considered open carry.
 
The BEST concealed carry firearm method I have ever seen was concealed in a .... wait for it...... Moms Demand Action fanny pack. Truly an inspired choice.
Those women insist we are wicked.

Maybe in your case they have a point.

Wonderful reply.
 
This is the Legal Forum. Opinions on questions of law need to be supported by reference to applicable legal authority (statutes or case law).

If I don’t start seeing that real soon the thread will be closed.
 
I'm not sure what the question is. Are you asking if it's legally considered openly-carried, or concealed? Does it matter, given that the state apparently permits both?

I could see this question being posed, for example, here in Florida, a state which prohibits open carry (except in very limited conditions which are not relevant here.) Florida does not prohibit "printing", nor does it prohibit the "brief, open display" of a firearm normally being concealed. Florida law says nothing about requiring "no one near knows you have a gun"; it only says the gun must be concealed, and defines a "concealed handgun" as a handgun that "is concealed from the ordinary sight of another person."

So, from here, the fully-enclosing holster, which makes no portion of the gun visible "to the ordinary sight of another person", would technically meet the concealment requirement. I'm not going to be the one to test it out, though. There may or may not be case history involving someone who has.
I guess one could do it by wearing such a holster that does not contain a weapon to see what reaction they get.

But, I don't get the Michigan-specific question.
 
The original purpose of a flap holster was to cover the gun and keep the powder dry. Its purpose was not to conceal the gun. I cannot cite statutes or case law, but the origins and historical purpose and context of an item do have a legal bearing with regard to establishing intent. Most any kind of holster covers at least part of the gun, and sheaths often cover most of a knife, but where concealment is illegal, having a gun or knife partially covered this way does not count as illegal concealment. Therefore it is doubtful that a flap holster would meet the requirements of concealment where that is legally demanded.

It doesn't sound like you actually have a legal concern because you appear to be persuaded that both open and concealed carry are lawful where you are. With regard to practical use, flap holsters fell out of favor with the advent of metallic cartridge revolvers because the weather protection was no longer essential and the flaps slowed draw speed. Clearing the flap may not take any longer than sweeping or clearing a cover garment, but the flap holster does not really conceal the gun for the purpose of keeping the state of one's being armed an uncertainty and for avoiding attention on oneself. It is for these reasons, rather than a legal demand, that most people choose concealment. The flap holster does not serve these purposes.
 
I'm not sure what the question is. Are you asking if it's legally considered openly-carried, or concealed? Does it matter, given that the state apparently permits both?

I've been trying to get an answer to the same question in Montana. Answers vary from "It's concealed" from the Sheriff, to " unconcealed, buy no cases to substantiate that" from the sate association, and the last county attorney.

It is important here because there are places one can carry open but not concealed (banks, and any place that serves liquor, which includes most restaurants).

Also, it makes a difference on holster choice here as IWB holsters are considered "concealed" even when the pistol is partially visible.
 
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