BTW, not all plastics contain aromatics. Aromatics are a specific organic compound - so names becausde many have distictive smells. Aromatics are distinguised by their carbon rings structures. Most polymer plastics are composed of long chain hydrocarbons, often with halogens.
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GunTech,
Since you are a chemist, perhaps another thread would be beneficial in regard to chemicals, and various "Polymer" guns.
Various Polymers and "Plastics" are used in firearms, besides frames, we have magazine plugs in shotguns, sights, stocks/grips, and the like.
Halogens, Chlorinated, Non-Chlorinated, Long/Short Hydrocarbons and other "chemicals" are used in Gun cleaning solvents and lubes.
Now while a Polymer may indeed be as strong as steel, outside influences can and will stress and weaken materials.
For Instance:Apply heat to a Steel Gun/steel gun part and the temper is gone.
So the use of many of today's firearm related product with certain chemicals, may expedite the weakening of a Polymer gun/part.
Many Chemicals such as solvent and lubes are actually Re-Packaged Automotive products.
Smith and Wesson's New line of Products are listed under the web site of Radiator Specialty, which many will recognize as Gunk, the Automotive Folks.
One popular lube, with marketing reminding folks of how many Service Persons are "being killed by CLP", started out as a Chain Saw Lube, just it sells for a lot more money per ounce as a "Gun Lube".
Best example of "Breaking down too fast" I can think of is Automotive tires.
These come with Carbon Tet ( I believe I got that correct) which keep the rubber live, and is released in driving due to heat and flex.
Soap and Water, removes dirt, mud and all, and this Tire lasts a long time.
Fancy Chemicals to make then Shine...breaks down rubber, draws out the Carbon Tet, and before one knows it, there are "dry rot" cracks all around that tire, with few miles on it.
Left alone, using soap and water, the tire lasts.
Messing with chemicals lessens the life of the tire.
Now back to the Original Thread.
Since you are a chemist, perhaps another thread would be beneficial in regard to chemicals, and various "Polymer" guns.
Various Polymers and "Plastics" are used in firearms, besides frames, we have magazine plugs in shotguns, sights, stocks/grips, and the like.
Halogens, Chlorinated, Non-Chlorinated, Long/Short Hydrocarbons and other "chemicals" are used in Gun cleaning solvents and lubes.
Now while a Polymer may indeed be as strong as steel, outside influences can and will stress and weaken materials.
For Instance:Apply heat to a Steel Gun/steel gun part and the temper is gone.
So the use of many of today's firearm related product with certain chemicals, may expedite the weakening of a Polymer gun/part.
Many Chemicals such as solvent and lubes are actually Re-Packaged Automotive products.
Smith and Wesson's New line of Products are listed under the web site of Radiator Specialty, which many will recognize as Gunk, the Automotive Folks.
One popular lube, with marketing reminding folks of how many Service Persons are "being killed by CLP", started out as a Chain Saw Lube, just it sells for a lot more money per ounce as a "Gun Lube".
Best example of "Breaking down too fast" I can think of is Automotive tires.
These come with Carbon Tet ( I believe I got that correct) which keep the rubber live, and is released in driving due to heat and flex.
Soap and Water, removes dirt, mud and all, and this Tire lasts a long time.
Fancy Chemicals to make then Shine...breaks down rubber, draws out the Carbon Tet, and before one knows it, there are "dry rot" cracks all around that tire, with few miles on it.
Left alone, using soap and water, the tire lasts.
Messing with chemicals lessens the life of the tire.
Now back to the Original Thread.
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Of all the auto loaders that me and everyone I know have owned. Its a pretty big list. I only know of 2 that have too many rounds to count through them and have never failed in any way. Both are 3rd gen. s&w's. My 6906 and my friends 3913. Can't understand why these guns don't have more fans.
SM, as I noted, I have adegree in chemistry, but I am not a polymer chemist. I worked as a toxicologist in a reference lab, and later as a QA chemist in a steel mill. These days, I am an IT priofessional (better money).
My experience does tell me that many people still under-rate modern polymer - and use the term 'plastic' to disparage products, not realizing that in many applications, 'plastics' are superior to metals and alloys.
Many people will remember when Chuck Taylor, a rabid fan of the 1911, set out to prove that the 'plastic' Glock 17 was a piece of junk. IIRC, he gave up trying to wear out the Glock after firing 175,000 rounds through the gun and is now a Glock advocate.
Here are his comments at round count 100,000
http://membres.lycos.fr/shooter/glock/glock4.html
My experience does tell me that many people still under-rate modern polymer - and use the term 'plastic' to disparage products, not realizing that in many applications, 'plastics' are superior to metals and alloys.
Many people will remember when Chuck Taylor, a rabid fan of the 1911, set out to prove that the 'plastic' Glock 17 was a piece of junk. IIRC, he gave up trying to wear out the Glock after firing 175,000 rounds through the gun and is now a Glock advocate.
Here are his comments at round count 100,000
http://membres.lycos.fr/shooter/glock/glock4.html
romma
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Kahr PM9
Golddog
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CZ. And if could have only two or three or four or five, they'd all be CZ's, thanks to ergonomics, the SA trigger, and good looks (the guns', not mine).
Come to think of it, I do have five CZ 9's, and I've gotten rid of all the others in that caliber.
While I'm an S&W revolver freak, if I were offered any of their 9's, except for the very few SA versions (952 and the PC types) and the new M&P's, I'd rather have a knife or a club. Where CZ gets everything right, S&W gets everything wrong in their autos. That's why they have been relatively unsuccessful in the civilian market.
Come to think of it, I do have five CZ 9's, and I've gotten rid of all the others in that caliber.
While I'm an S&W revolver freak, if I were offered any of their 9's, except for the very few SA versions (952 and the PC types) and the new M&P's, I'd rather have a knife or a club. Where CZ gets everything right, S&W gets everything wrong in their autos. That's why they have been relatively unsuccessful in the civilian market.
kurk
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Kahr PM9 - most concealable - most practical. 
Holydoc
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Beretta 92FS
Well I have owned it for several years and go to the range once a week with it. Putting 140 rounds through it every week, I have never had a misfire or any problems with it. It is a beautiful and reliable weapon. My recommendation, the Beretta 92FS:
Well I have owned it for several years and go to the range once a week with it. Putting 140 rounds through it every week, I have never had a misfire or any problems with it. It is a beautiful and reliable weapon. My recommendation, the Beretta 92FS:
WSUZJer
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Hk P7.
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Another vote for the G17 or G19.
brashboy
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Wow, neck and neck, BHP vs. Glock. Only one vote for XD9, which would be my choice. I've owned three of them (one a HS2000 I paid $229 for a few years ago, same gun basically but no light rail), and all three were fabulously reliable and more accurate than me.
I am a bit concerned about the polymer issue. Like the effect of long-term drug usage that may give us heart disease or impotence, polymers have not been around that long. No matter what anyone says, we don't know how a polymer gun will hold up for 50 years. Glocks are great guns, but will they be great guns in 2035?
If not polymer, I would go with a BHP, CZ75 second choice.
I am a bit concerned about the polymer issue. Like the effect of long-term drug usage that may give us heart disease or impotence, polymers have not been around that long. No matter what anyone says, we don't know how a polymer gun will hold up for 50 years. Glocks are great guns, but will they be great guns in 2035?
If not polymer, I would go with a BHP, CZ75 second choice.
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After shooting a Glock, XD, S&W, Beretta, Taurus, HK, CZ, BHP, Kahr, and a few other brands I still like the Sig P226. The XD and Kahr are a pretty close second.
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