why wouldn't you be able to?So once you have card in hand, you can start carrying locked and loaded, or no according to ISP?
Oh yes, very much so. I am having this problem right now. I'll try later in the day...
So once you have card in hand, you can start carrying locked and loaded, or no according to ISP?
It doesn't matter what Chicago says about "carry" or transport". The state has occupied the entire area of handgun possession. Matters not if it is carry or transport. Matters not if there is an FOID, or FOID and FCCL. They amended the FOID law to be 100% consistent with the FCCL law's language. Chicago is out of the handgun regulation business for FOID and FCCL holders.How do you square that interpretation with what the FCCA actually says?
This is an especially revealing passage.
The very language of the FCCA specifically refers to having an unloaded and encased handgun as being carried.
There is a huge problem with claiming that transport and carry are completely separate things. If they are, Chicago can ban carry because only transportation of firearms is preempted in the law.
Here is what the law actually says about what is preempted.
Does not say anything at all about carry. So if they are two different things, it can't be preempted so Chicago can ban it.
A lot of people have discussed a lot of things. None of that matters one iota. What matters is what the law that actually passed actually says.
One last thing for you to ponder. Another thing the law actually says.
No requirement whatsoever that the firearm has to be loaded to be considered carry. None whatsoever. Nothing about how it is carried or a prohibition on carrying it in some kind of case.
How could the supreme court of IL possibly have ruled on anything in the FCCA since there are no FCCL issued yet?
One more question for you to ponder. If only the FCCA and the UUW act regulate how firearms are carried and/or transported in IL, how do you square that with the flat out 100% ban on mere possession of a firearm on public property found in 720 ILCS 5/21-6? Are you claiming that while transporting through public property you are not in possession of it, so it is OK to transport on public property if you do not have a FCCL?
This is called an absurd outcome, sort of like the absurd outcome you continue to preach in regards to the 21-6 law.
Apparently at least some people who get a carry license celebrate by going to Walmart.Is the "Walmart Walk" a "thing"? First I've heard of it.
I am even willing to help you prove I am wrong by supplying you with a ziplok bag.
Have you checked your application?
I bet you're no longer approved...
This has already been covered re: Joan Bruner over on the IL carry website.I offer you the same challenge I have offered others who claim 21-6 no longer applies. So far no one has accepted the challenge.
Put your unloaded gun in a zip lock bag and close it up.
Walk around with the gun in the bag in hand on an EL platform for a few hours.
You will find out really quick whether the authorities believe 21-6 applies or not.
You guys are real brave offering your goofy legal advice to others, but refusing to follow it yourself. Time to put up or shut up.
She did not beat the 21-6 charge.This has already been covered re: Joan Bruner over on the IL carry website.
She beat the 21-6 charge. It fell apart on the testimony of the officer on the witness stand who admitted he didn't have the permission either.
These discussions are about what is legal, and what case law supports a position (or not).
I don't doubt that some cop somewhere will do something, legal or not. The fact that you picked the "EL" means you thin the Chicago PD will do anything to a gun owner, lawful or not.
Section 21-6(a) of the Code prohibits possession of a weapon whether loaded or unloaded, encased or not, broken down or not, on State or federal land "or in any building on such land without prior written permission from the chief security officer for such land." 720 ILCS 5/21-6(a) (West 1994).
Our ruling is not an endorsement of the defendant's behavior. Citizens carrying unloaded weapons, even if encased, into courthouses is a prelude to violence. Unloaded weapons can readily be loaded. Arguably, a violation of section 21-6(a) of the Code should be a felony rather than a misdemeanor. The exemption provided by the legislature permits the defendant under these circumstances to avoid prosecution under section 24-2(i) of the Code for the felony charge, but she remains subject to the misdemeanor offense proscribed by section 21-6(a) of the Code.
"Count II remains pending"
Vana Haggerty was charged under 21-6. The Marion County State's Attorney knew that he couldn't make AUUW stick, he knew that Vana's case would be in the news and he knew that the courtroom would be packed (and it was packed!) with Vana's supporters. So, he digs up this incompetently constructed statue out of the "Damage and Trespass to Property" section of the criminal code and springs it on her at the last minute.
The jury, in its wisdom, exercised its right to jury nullification and refused to apply that law to Vana. The jury made a fool of the SA. We now have precedent that 21-6 does not apply to container carry.
Funny story: Vana's lawyer had her arresting officer on the witness stand and asked him if had his written permission slip from the "chief security officer" of the county fairground to possess his weapon. The officer had no idea what that was and had to answer, "No." (There is no exemption for police officers!)
After all, the legislature goes back in session next week and they'll have the option of screwing us all over before the first permit gets issued.
Ugh. Dislike this state.
Would any of us be surprised if the law gets drastically "amended" before anyone actually gets a permit? I would not be surprised to see all kinds of restrictions added before it actually "goes down" and people get their permits.
VooDoo
It looks like there is approximately one person in the entire state worried about this law and the misdemeanor penalty associated with it.
If you are afraid to do it in Chicago, maybe a less scary place. How about Winnebago County? the police chiefs and the sheriff here are all pro carry.Is that a dare or a triple dog dare? Are you 12?