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Concealed-carry proposal draws comparisons to Dodge City


By John Sharp ([email protected])
of the Journal Star
Posted Dec 22, 2009 @ 11:27 PM

PEORIA —
Dodge City was once known as a true frontier town of the Wild West, where lawlessness and gunslinging were common during the cattle drives of the late 1800s.

But the city also became an unusual reference point during the first public debate Tuesday on whether Peoria should serve as a pilot city for a statewide concealed-carry law.

At-large City Councilman Gary Sandberg questioned how residents will be able to possess concealed handguns at restaurants, taverns and other locations of Peoria that abut nearby cities that wouldn't have a concealed-carry law, such as Peoria Heights and West Peoria.

Sandberg also wondered how the law could be enforced at restaurants like La Gondola (formerly Leonardo's), where portions of the business are located in both Peoria and Peoria Heights.

"Will there be a board on the side of the building where they can hang the gun up like they do in Dodge City?" Sandberg asked during a debate on whether to include the concealed-carry provision on the city's 2010 list of legislative priorities.

Mayor Jim Ardis, a proponent of the legislation making Peoria a pilot city for a statewide concealed-carry law, replied he's never said that the Illinois law has to mirror activities of Dodge City and "didn't know if they have a place to hang a gun up at a restaurant."

He said he thinks there are ways to make the logistics of a Peoria-only law work. He also said details about the law will continue to be worked on with local lawmakers.

Illinois is one of only two states in the United States without any kind of concealed-carry law. Wisconsin is the other.

"If the other 48 states haven't turned into the Wild, Wild West, it won't happen in Illinois, either," Ardis said.

Sandberg was one of only two council members voting against including the measure on the legislative wish list that will be presented to area state lawmakers Dec. 29.

"I don't think it is a good idea to encourage firearms," Sandberg said.

At-large City Councilman Jim Montelongo, who also is running for state representative next year, was the other "No" vote.

"There are a lot of unanswered questions," Montelongo said, referring to the border issues raised by Sandberg. "It doesn't seem feasible."

Earlier this month, state Sen. Dale Risinger, R-Peoria, said he was going to wait and see what the outcome will be of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on the city of Chicago's handgun ban before proposing a concealed-carry law for Peoria. A ruling is expected in March.

Ardis initially pushed to have Peoria serve as a test city for a responsible statewide concealed-carry law in May after a rash of shootings occurred in the city, including one at an East Bluff gas station in which an attendant was shot and killed.

He has said the measure could allow Peoria to serve as a test city for three to five years to see if crime drops as a result of arming residents in a responsible manner.

"We are trying to come up with something we can present to state legislators to see if we can get this done or not," Ardis said.



John Sharp can be reached at 686-3282 or [email protected].

I am not sure how I feel about this. I would prefer the entire state had CCW but it is a start. What do you all think? And where is the NRA and ISRA on this?
 
Here we go again.....

Now here's a surprise, I don't know if I've seen a statement like this in a daily paper.

"If the other 48 states haven't turned into the Wild, Wild West, it won't happen in Illinois, either," Ardis said.

Even Chicago's gun ban won't play in Peroria.
 
"Dodge City was once known as a true frontier town of the Wild West, where lawlessness and gunslinging were common during the cattle drives of the late 1800s."

The "Wild West gunslinging" fantasy just won't go away. The reality is that even when anyone could carry a gun anywhere, anytime, shootouts and showdowns were rare. Yet I haven't discussed concealed carry with ANY anti who didn't bring up the Wild West scenario. Strange.

Tim
 
Even if the state allowed Peoria to serve as a test city, and even if the "test" was a resounding success, I doubt it would cause a single anti-gun politician to change their vote. If the success rate for all the other states is 100% (48 out of 48) but is still ignored, why the hell would one little city's success make a difference.
 
Even if the state allowed Peoria to serve as a test city, and even if the "test" was a resounding success, I doubt it would cause a single anti-gun politician to change their vote.
No, but it might sway some people sitting on the fence. I too wish we could just go all out, but it certainly isn't a step in the wrong direction.
 
I'm still waiting to see any streets "running red with blood" in ANY right-to-carry state.
 
Research, as I did for an article many years ago, will reveal that the Wild, Wild West existed and exists only in novels and movies.
 
He has said the measure could allow Peoria to serve as a test city for three to five years to see if crime drops as a result of arming residents in a responsible manner.

I hate these arguments. The RKBA wasn't intended to be contingent on future crime stats.
 
Even if the state allowed Peoria to serve as a test city, and even if the "test" was a resounding success, I doubt it would cause a single anti-gun politician to change their vote. If the success rate for all the other states is 100% (48 out of 48) but is still ignored, why the hell would one little city's success make a difference.

+1 There's a wealth of positive data out there for any politician or jurisdiction that's truly interested in permitting concealed carry.
 
I also do not see anyway the NRA would back the Peoria proposal, especially in light of their campaign against last sessions carry bill. I do hope after incorporation of the 2A via Mcdonald vs. Chicago, that the NRA will be pushing hard in Illinois for the statewide carry bill that they seem to want so bad.

Personally, if Illinois were to pass a carry bill that excluded Chicago, or even if Chicago fell into Lake Michigan, it would not bother me in the least.
 
I'm still waiting to see any streets "running red with blood" in ANY right-to-carry state.

Oh but boy those antis must be upset on the new FBI report on violent crime. (It went down again):)
 
"Dodge City was once known as a true frontier town of the Wild West, where lawlessness and gunslinging were common during the cattle drives of the late 1800s."

The "Wild West gunslinging" fantasy just won't go away. The reality is that even when anyone could carry a gun anywhere, anytime, shootouts and showdowns were rare. Yet I haven't discussed concealed carry with ANY anti who didn't bring up the Wild West scenario. Strange.

Tim
Not to mention that just like today, it was mostly criminals shooting other criminals.
 
Well I live in Peoria. And this is needed. Crime has gotten out of control here, and we can't even carry a hankerchief.


Hurray for Ardis. I appreciate it.

Sandberg "I don't think we should encourage guns"?!?! Wow. How do these people get elected into office?? Has he even looked at a constitution?
 
The "Wild West gunslinging" fantasy just won't go away. The reality is that even when anyone could carry a gun anywhere, anytime, shootouts and showdowns were rare. Yet I haven't discussed concealed carry with ANY anti who didn't bring up the Wild West scenario. Strange.

Regurgitating misleading or totally incorrect information that a person has heard or seen on the internet unfortunately is a human trait and serves to give the individual a sense of belonging and acceptance in the group to whom he is pandering his "borrowed" knowledge.

If you haven't noticed, gun forums are full of statements about particular guns being "useless", "pos", "junk", and other catch phrases. I suspect many times the individual has no experience with the gun in question. I have even noticed the same types of responses to scenarios of self-defense. I am surprised that I haven't seen the famous line, "you'll shoot your eye out" as a response in the forums.

My point is that if the gun-educated (for the most part) members of this site allow themselves to engage in "feel-good" verbal therapy, it is gonna be rampant in the general public at large when it comes to discussions about guns. It is what it is..................

("Man will do many thing to be loved - he will go even farther to be envied")
 
These matters will never be cleared up because Democrats are stuck on stupid.
Certainly IL and MA Democrats. The Democrat governor of Ohio isn't. In fact, he's VASTLY more pro-gun than the previous two idiot Republican governors who opposed concealed carry. Strickland has been a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment and CCW in Ohio, INFINITELY more pro-gun than the anti-gun Republicans George Ryan, Jim Ryan, Henry Hyde, Mitt Romney, George Voinovich and Bob "First Veto Override in 30 Years" (passing CCW reform) Taft.
 
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