Illinois: "Daley asks gun control legislation"

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http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gun13.html

Daley asks gun control legislation
February 13, 2003

BY FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN STAFF REPORTERS

Mayor Daley is putting gun control back on the table.

Capitalizing on Democrats' new control of the Illinois legislature, Daley today will unholster three new statewide gun control proposals that would boost the cost of a firearm owner's ID card, lengthen the wait to buy a handgun and raise the penalty for having a secret gun compartment in a car. He's also resurrecting a measure requiring gunmakers to test-fire their products and record the unique "fingerprint" they leave on bullets.

"With a new General Assembly, there is a new sense of optimism about our agenda," a City Hall source said. "Each of these bills could save lives."

Daley is expected to unveil his gun-control package this morning at Chicago police headquarters. He has invited legislators he considers key to the success of the measures, including Senate President Emil Jones Jr.

Jones "has supported components of it in the past," said a Jones spokeswoman, Cindy Davidsmeyer, adding that Jones probably won't attend because of a prior commitment.

"In the past, when the Republicans controlled the Senate, most of these measures wound up dying in subcommittee," she said. "We are taking the stance on legislation, in general, that it will get a fair hearing."

Davidsmeyer pointed out that while Jones supports many of the bills, the Democratic caucus is not unified on the gun control issue.

Sen. John J. Cullerton (D-Chicago), the Judiciary Committee chairman, acknowledged that many Downstate Democrats oppose gun control.

But Chicago Democrats are finding new allies in the suburbs, he said.

"Suburban Republican women legislators are becoming more and more supportive of reasonable gun control measures," said Cullerton, sponsor of the test-firing proposal. "The divisions are more regional than partisan."

Sources said Daley is promoting nine separate gun-control recommendations, six of which were previously introduced in the General Assembly and died.

City Hall is awaiting a reaction from Gov. Blagojevich, who pushed for gun control as a state legislator and congressman. Under attack from gubernatorial opponent Jim Ryan, Blagojevich backed away from at least one of those positions.

"I will not raise the price of a FOID card--not one dime, not one nickel," Blagojevich was quoted as saying in a stump speech in October in Pike County.

As a state legislator, Blagojevich had unsuccessfully sponsored a bill to increase the five-year fee for a Firearm Owner's Identification card from $5 to $500--an issue Ryan used against Blagojevich in TV commercials Downstate.

Now Daley is proposing to raise the fee for a FOID card from $5 for every five years to $25 per year to cover new security measures that would require every applicant to be fingerprinted and photographed in person, sources said.

Blagojevich would oppose any increase in the price of a FOID card, but he supports some of the other measures Daley is pushing, including the test-firing of guns and closing gun-show loopholes. Blagojevich's spokesman, Billy Weinberg, said he could not comment on the entire package because he had not seen it.

Daley's package includes a measure to crack down on a "cottage industry" that equips vehicles with secret compartments for drugs and guns, sources said.

Sometimes the compartments have defense systems so sophisticated they require the car radio to be tuned to a certain station and the transmission placed in neutral for the trap door to open, police said. The penalty for having such a compartment would rise from a misdemeanor to a Class 4 felony carrying up to three years in prison.

The mayor also wants a 10-day "cooling off" period before a buyer can take possession of a gun--up from three days, sources said.

Daley will reintroduce six other proposals: a ban on assault weapons such as Uzis; a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines; a one-gun-a-month purchase limit; background checks for firearms bought at gun shows; state licensing of gun dealers, and a requirement for gunmakers to test-fire every gun sold in Illinois for a computer database on the unique "fingerprint" each gun leaves on a bullet. The database would allow investigators to link bullets to guns.

"We have met with the mayor's office to discuss these proposals and we do support them," said Marcy Jensen, a spokeswoman for Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine.

Copyright 2003, Digital Chicago Inc.
 
Most every day I'm thankful that I don't live in IL, this is just today's reason.

raise the penalty for having a secret gun compartment in a car

Is this really that big of a problem?

But Chicago Democrats are finding new allies in the suburbs, he said.

"Suburban Republican women legislators are becoming more and more supportive of reasonable gun control measures," said Cullerton, sponsor of the test-firing proposal. "The divisions are more regional than partisan."

An there is the key problem with much of the country, suburban RINOs who think the whole world should look like their subdivision.

:cuss: idiots.

Greg
 
Isn't proposing legislation the job of the governor?

When did the mayor of perhaps the most corrupt city in the country get responsibility to determine the fate of everyone in his state?

But since the new gov. is a lackey to Daley....
 
No, it's not a problem. But Princess Madigan was the one who sponsored it before, and she used it in campaign ads for Attorney General. She won, so they think the public will swallow it. They probably will.

Since it's already a felony to have a gun in a compartment accessible to people in the car (unless of course it's unloaded and encased) this strikes me as pretty silly. But then, that's Daley.

As you say, the reason the Governor is not going to slap Daley down is that he has to have him. I don't know what kind of deal Blago, Dick Mell and Daley cooked up, but I'm sure it's delicate since Mell and Daley never liked each other.

Blago is making his mark right now by firing the last crook's last-minute patronage hires (they were locked into four-year terms, but it was done illegally, so the firings will stick.) It's all anyone's talking about on Springfield radio. I just can't help but shake my head at all the sheep calling to say how grateful they are that "somebody is doing something" about patronage and corruption in Illinois.
Riiiiiiiighhht. This is Rod Blagojevich! I can't believe he can even keep a straight face when he says the words "corruption and patronage." They are the essential and publicly acknowledged foundation of his entire political career. He only became a state legislator because his father-in-law is a Chicago ward boss who needed someone reliable. When Mell thought he could put him in Congress, off he went. When it became apparent that a Democrat could take the Governor's office and Mell was afraid Daley would get a crony in (thus gaining too much power by running both the state and the city) he called ol' Rod again.

This is not conjecture. Mell publicly brags about the time the state legislature seat came open and he needed someone reliable, so "I called Rod up and asked him how he'd like to be a Representative." :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
 
Daley is not the mayor of "perhaps" the most corrupt city in the nation; it is the most corrupt and the state is the most corrupt in the nation. In Illinois it is in your face corruption. If you don't like it you can always vote for the other party, as if that would make a difference. Two governors went to prison and a third is on the way. First week in April I am outta here.
 
Illinois government, Blago and Daley almost make Gray Davis of the PRK look good. Seems like most of the "Gore" states from 2000 are going down-hill fast for gun owners.
 
Here are some recent links with the latest details:

http://www.wbbm780.com/asp/ViewMoreDetails.asp?ID=19174
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20030213-013832-8852r.htm

They basically want to charge $125 for a FOID, ban self-loading rifles (one of those links uses full-auto Uzis as an "example", like we can have those now :rolleyes: ), one-a-month handgun purchases, ten day waiting period on said purchases, full-cap mag ban, mandatory ballistic "fingerprinting" and no telling what else. How's that for a whole lot of "common sense" all at once? :barf:

Is there any space in KY or TN for an ex-pat? I may be on my way soon...
 
Four more years and I can retire and move south. I have lived in Illinois over 50 years but I won't be sad to leave. It is not just the gun laws. It is the corruption, the dominance of a nice Iowa like downstate by the uglyness of Chicago, the terrible roads, the rotten weather, high taxes, the flatness of the land, and downbeat attitude of the government and the people. It makes one grow weary.

Oh, and did I mention, the Cubs, the Bears, the Bulls, the Black Hawks, and the White Sox? I have been a Sox fan all my life. Nothing more pathetic except being a Cubs fan.
 
Man, you weren't kidding. They made sure it was nice and blatant, too:
Among the proposals would be one that cracks down on companies that equip vehicles with secret compartments for guns or drugs, raising the penalty for violations to three years in prison. Daley also wants to impose a 10-day "cooling off" period before someone could take possession of a gun and a ban on assault weapons like Uzi automatic submachine pistols and high capacity ammunition magazines.

In case anyone from out of state is wondering, Illinois has an absolute ban on full auto. You just can't get it, no way, no how.
 
Not to imply I ever held Chicago as an exemplar of a good society, but I think if Satan ever offers me a choice of Chicago or Hell I'd have to choose Hell.
 
Here's the bottom line:

For a person to argue that a citizen should let the police protect him or her, they have to believe that the police interdict a large number of in-progress crimes.

Maybe someone could do a study on just how many times that happens on an annaul basis. Would shed a lot of light, wouldn't it?
 
"Suburban Republican women legislators are becoming more and more supportive of reasonable gun control measures," said Cullerton, sponsor of the test-firing proposal. "The divisions are more regional than partisan."

My B.S. Meter is registering off the scale here....
 
Among the proposals would be one that cracks down on companies that equip vehicles with secret compartments for guns or drugs, raising the penalty for violations to three years in prison. Daley also wants to impose a 10-day "cooling off" period before someone could take possession of a gun and a ban on assault weapons like Uzi automatic submachine pistols and high capacity ammunition magazines.

I could write a 12 chapter book on everything that's wrong with this statement.....
 
Leave Illinois, deny your tax dollars to the vermin in charge. Enjoy life among decent humans a little further south...Kentucky and Tennessee aren't far away. Don Gwinn and Jeff White are the two Illinois residents I know best and it would be a pleasure and an honor to have them reside nearby...and to know that they get to enjoy life a little more every day than they would have back in the commie-land..
 
Wondernine, don't be surprised. Regional differences overshadow party differences everywhere. Compare a Texas Democrat to a Chicago suburban Republican and you'll see what I mean. That Texas Democrat will walk away muttering about liberals.

Downstate politicians of both stripes are far more conservative. Chicago Democrats and Collar Republicans are far more liberal. Been that way a long time. The difference now is that the Republicans are in disarray and the downstaters can't convince the Dupage element to shut their traps and stay out of the way.

Anyway, I'm out. Melissa is finally convinced. I'm going to finish the renovation on the house so we can sell it at a profit, get some cash saved and we're out of here. At this point I think she has inferred that I'd leave without her if it gets much worse.
 
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