Illinois members-Call your state reps NOW!
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HB1237 passed the floor vote.
That one is nasty.
It can be construed to ban any gun owner who's been treated for ANY mental condition at any clinic, hospital, or Dr. office within the last 5 years, while exempting law enforcement from the same requirements.
(They REMOVED the requirement that the person is adjudicated as mentally disabled)
So .. you got insomnia?
No guns.
You got an antidepressant for anxiety?
No guns.
That one is nasty.
It can be construed to ban any gun owner who's been treated for ANY mental condition at any clinic, hospital, or Dr. office within the last 5 years, while exempting law enforcement from the same requirements.
(They REMOVED the requirement that the person is adjudicated as mentally disabled)
So .. you got insomnia?
No guns.
You got an antidepressant for anxiety?
No guns.
JFtheGR8
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I believe it is dead, at least for now.
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BCCL
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JFtheGR8
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BCCL said:
The average citizen has Dr-patient confidentiality so how do they prove anything? Whereas a police officer may not have the same confidentiality.
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You mean to tell me you don't see ANY way that could be abused???
Imagine a relationship going south.. a phone call to the cops. "He's on antidepressants and has firearms."
Off to jail you go....
briangsxr600
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How many veterans who have any form of PTSD will this law affect. If you count people who have to see the head doc while processing to be out of the military does that count against them. This bill is a joke and just a way to get the guns out of as many people as they can.
JFtheGR8
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Not saying it's not a piece of garbage legislation. Just saying it's not a ban on anything. It should not pass in it's current form. There should be exceptions for certain treatable disorders.
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Panzerschwein
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I wish Chicago would break off and float into space. Thank God we avoided the worst of what could have happened, but like others have said we need to keep pressing with this fight and if anything increase our activism. I know I will be doing just that!
stonecutter2
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Strictly my opinion, but if someone has PTSD and is admitted voluntarily or involuntarily to a mental institution (as the bill describes), I don't think they should have access to firearms until they're all better.
I also don't see how this bill gets guns out of as many people as they can - it's rather specific and redefines "mental hospital" as "mental institution" and then describes what those institutions are.
I don't see how this bill is necessarily a gun grab at all.
Short of defining all gun owners as mentally ill and involuntarily admitting them into institutions, I don't see how this affects the average gun owner.
Quite frankly, mentally ill people ARE the problem in our latest shootings.
I'm not saying it's the best piece of legislation I've ever seen, but short of massive fraud and abuse, I think this is actually an attempt to improve the laws to keep guns out of the hands of people who are genuinely mentally ill.
stonecutter2
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Any law can be abused.
And if you're being treated with antidepressants, that's not going to get you in jail because of the bill. If you're treated with antidepressants and are put into a mental institution, then yeah your gun rights are revoked. But shouldn't that be the case?
Why should a mentally ill person have guns?
Guys, they OPENED the definition of "mental institution" in this version of the bill.
Don't focus on the LEO exemption. READ ALL of the changes.
They EXPAND "mental institution" to include clinics, hospitals, etc, etc (clinic = Dr. office).
They DELETE the requirement that you are JUDGED mentally unsound or have to be COMMITTED.
This is NOT good, for a LOT of gun owners.
The way this bill is written, having a doctor treat you for ANY MENTAL ILLNESS - sleep disorders, whatever - is sufficient to have your firearms rights revoked for 5 years.
Don't focus on the LEO exemption. READ ALL of the changes.
They EXPAND "mental institution" to include clinics, hospitals, etc, etc (clinic = Dr. office).
They DELETE the requirement that you are JUDGED mentally unsound or have to be COMMITTED.
This is NOT good, for a LOT of gun owners.
The way this bill is written, having a doctor treat you for ANY MENTAL ILLNESS - sleep disorders, whatever - is sufficient to have your firearms rights revoked for 5 years.
Trent said;
No they didn't say if you go to your family doctor for treatment of a sleep disorder you use your firearms rights. The text of the bill defines "Mental Institution" as a facility used primarily for the care and treatment of persons with mental illness. Unless your family doctor is a psychiatrist his office doesn't fit the definition of a mental institution. Neither does the sleep clinic of your local hospital.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...TypeId=HB&LegID=&DocNum=1237&GAID=11&Session=
No they didn't say if you go to your family doctor for treatment of a sleep disorder you use your firearms rights. The text of the bill defines "Mental Institution" as a facility used primarily for the care and treatment of persons with mental illness. Unless your family doctor is a psychiatrist his office doesn't fit the definition of a mental institution. Neither does the sleep clinic of your local hospital.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ful...TypeId=HB&LegID=&DocNum=1237&GAID=11&Session=
BCCL
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Not over yet........
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House staff has called to let us know that the Governor and Chicago Mayor will attempt a gun and magazine ban when the House reconvenes for the lame duck session.
They will reconvene on Sunday at 5pm
Call your Representative's local and Springfield office. Do it today, then fill up their machines tomorrow if no one's answering their phones on Saturday, then on Sunday as they should be open. The House comes into session at 5:00 p.m.
Light up the Speaker's offices too. Here's a link to his contact info with fax lines, etc. His Springfield office number in the Capitol is (217) 782-581-8000. His office in Chicago is (773) 581-8000. Start the calls now.
Call the Governor: Springfield: (217) 782-0244, Chicago: (312) 814-2121
From IL. Carry
House staff has called to let us know that the Governor and Chicago Mayor will attempt a gun and magazine ban when the House reconvenes for the lame duck session.
They will reconvene on Sunday at 5pm
Call your Representative's local and Springfield office. Do it today, then fill up their machines tomorrow if no one's answering their phones on Saturday, then on Sunday as they should be open. The House comes into session at 5:00 p.m.
Light up the Speaker's offices too. Here's a link to his contact info with fax lines, etc. His Springfield office number in the Capitol is (217) 782-581-8000. His office in Chicago is (773) 581-8000. Start the calls now.
Call the Governor: Springfield: (217) 782-0244, Chicago: (312) 814-2121
"Or part thereof"
The way I'm reading this, if you're admitted to the ER or urgent care of a hospital (all of which have "parts" of the whole which are dedicated to the treatment of mental health)... and are subsequently treated for a mental disorder (of any kind), you meet the requirements.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, not a lawyer.
Is this the scenario you are worried about? You are involved in an auto accident and you go the ER to get checked out. The hospital you went to has a psych unit. You are treated and released with a referral back to your family Dr. and he treats you for something like post traumatic headaches related to cervical strain from the crash and the next day the ISP drops by the house to pick up your FOID card and seize all of your firearms and ammunition.
If so, I think you are reading a lot into the law that simply isn't there. In the scenario I just laid out, you were never admitted to the psych unit at that hospital so you were never admitted to or treated in a mental institution.
I'm not a lawyer either, but my job involves reading and applying the law and if I do have a doubt I can pick up the phone and call one of the states attorneys and get their read on it.
http://ilga.gov/legislation/fulltex...Id=SB&LegID=63457&DocNum=2899&GAID=11&Session
Acevedo gutted a senate bill, introduced to house today.
Acevedo gutted a senate bill, introduced to house today.
briangsxr600
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For most people who have not used the VA they have no clue how it works. Lets say you lost some friends and your down your primary care doc will put in for mental health doc that will make you lose your foid card. As far as PTSD I know many people who have it and I trust them with my life. You can have it from falling off a roof and getting paralyzed. PTSD has nothing to do with how people can deal with things, or the ability to be a safe gun owner.
barnbwt
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Wait, so no matter how trivial the diagnosis, you'd lose rights for 5 years? I've heard it said (by everyone from comedians to actual doctors) that anyone can be diagnosed with some sort of minor mental variance with a name. A poorly-focused kid in college who gets prescribed Adderol is somehow incapable of being trusted with their own safety, all of a suddern? A ton of kids in highschools are on ADHD or depression drugs--they now can't be trusted with a firearm until years later, even though they'd remain elgible for the draft?
Sounds like any sane gun-owner with minor mental health problems would shy away from treatment or even consultation if at all possible. My great uncle saw a therapist for a number of weeks following the death of his wife of fifty years, and was diagnosed (by the therapist; I don't know if they necessarily count as a "mental health" professional at a clinic) with short-duration depression. Am I wrong, or would he lose access to all the dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition because of human grief under this law?
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OpelBlitz
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That's SUCH a load of crap. I'm so sick of this garbage. Hope congress does the right thing and keeps that crap from becoming law. My reps are going to get tired of hearing from me. lol
Captain*kirk
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This is mind bending, and the scenery keeps changing. Where are we now, and what action should we take?
Is calling really effective or is emailing (in writing) a better tactic? Are phone calls actually recorded as received or a "yeah, right, OK" thing?
Is calling really effective or is emailing (in writing) a better tactic? Are phone calls actually recorded as received or a "yeah, right, OK" thing?
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