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Imperial siding wax and vibratory tumbler

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Bfh_auto, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Bfh_auto

    Bfh_auto Member

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    I'm getting a coating of media inside the car neck on 223 when I tumble it.
    Is there a better way of getting it out than a nylon brush?
     
  2. troy fairweather

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    Could do a quick cleaning without water and a small amount of dawn. The tumble them. Those cotton type bore bushes work good to.
     
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  3. lordpaxman

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    I lube inside the neck with graphite rather than a wax that can attract grit and media. Maybe consider changing your process? Imperial sells the neck lube as an item, there are small ceramic bbs that has graphite powder coating, dipping the necks in allows some of the powder transfer.
    I guess you’ll not be considering a SS media and wet tumbling?
     
  4. Walkalong

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    Carbide expander with no lube.
     
  5. 1KPerDay

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    How much lube are you applying to case necks and how long are you tumbling? I usually swipe my thumb or finger that has a thin coating of lube across every fourth or fifth case mouth and rotate it in the sizing die so a different side of the expander ball gets a tiny amount of lube.
    And I tumble for at least a few hours.

    I don’t reload a lot of .223 though. Maybe the smaller opening causes issues.
     
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  6. rskent

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    That what I do. It’s a pain, but it gets good results.
     
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  7. mrawesome22-250

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    Chuck the expander in a drill, put some oil on a piece of 2000 grit sand paper, wrap paper around expander and run the drill for a few minutes. Won't need to lube necks anymore.
     
  8. Bfh_auto

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    I dip the mouth just enough to get a small dab of lube on the inside of every other case. It is a small enough amount that you see a little shine. I tumbled them for an hour.
    I didn't have this issue with a RCBS lube pad. I may just go back to it.
    That wax sure is nice on straight wall cartridges.
     
  9. Bfh_auto

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    I think I'll start with Mrawsome's idea. If that doesn't work, I'll move to either the graphite lube or carbide expander.
     
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  10. Scrupplez

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    If I get any lube that is difficult to remove from inside the neck, I just dump all the brass in lacquer thinner. Swirl around a few minutes then remove and place in the tumbler. Hornady Unique case lube when neck turning is a prime example All other inside neck lube is graphite and number 6 shot in a small container.
     
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  11. Bfh_auto

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    I do have shot. I could pick up some powdered graphite. That may be the easiest option.
     
  12. FROGO207

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    ^^^^ This is what I do. Some #8 shot and some graphite in an old cat food can. That can because I had a cover from Friskies that I got years ago that fit it. Any container will do but I prefer to be able to cover it. I also use SS pins to tumble. My best method but YMMV.
     
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  13. DocRock

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    Wash in hot water, citric acid and dishwashing soap after sizing. Ten minute soak. Rinse in cold water. Brass rarely needs tumbling after that but if it does, nothing will stick.
     
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  14. Barman54

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    Just a Question?
    On your Rinse procedure, why use Cold Water, and Not Hot?
    With Hot water the residual Water evaporates quicker from the Brass faster than Cold will.

    I use Citric Acid with Hot water, to help in the shine process, when through I use a Hot Water bath to rinse, and the water evaporates quicker, when I dump on a Towel.
    Then put in my tumbler with newer Media

    Trying to learn.
    Thx,
    Barman54
    Out
     
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  15. Pete D.

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    Lubing the inside of case necks. What a concept. I have never done that. Don't see any real need to do so.
    Theoretically, what is the point?
     
  16. jaguarxk120

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    Dump the whole setup you have and go to stainless steel pins.
    Use a rotary tumbler, it gets the case's factory clean, primer pockets too!
     
  17. Bfh_auto

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    That's not going to happen. I don't care about getting it shiny, just clean and the lube gone.
     
  18. Walkalong

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    To not stretch them out of shape, pull shoulders forward etc etc. Can you get away with it? Sure can, but you risk issues, best to lube very very lightly.
     
  19. Walkalong

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    When I shot Benchrest I would use Imperial and just wipe if off with a small towel. But that was only a few cases. I use RCBS Case Lube II for big batches of cases, fast, easy, tumbles off well, don't slather it on. You can also rinse it off with hot water and let the cases dry. My Redding .223 sizer has a carbide expander, and I have retrofitted a couple of RCBS sizers to accept the Redding carbide expander. These days the new RCBS Matchmaster dies come with a nitrided expander. Bushng style sizers, and not cheap, but very good.
     
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  20. Bfh_auto

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    That's why I started lubing them. My AR was having failures to chamber. This stopped when I started lubing the neck.
    I definitely need to try some of the advice I've been given on here.
     
  21. lordpaxman

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    Now I’ve got questions??
    ?Shouldn’t you be able to chamber without lube? Factory ammo to my knowledge isn’t lubed. Perhaps there’s a dimensional problem with your reloads, or, a problem with the chamber? I’m just trying to learn myself as well!

    ?I use imperial wax, but just wipe the outside of the case with a soft cloth. Why would it be necessary to chemically/mechanically remove the wax?
     
  22. mrawesome22-250

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    He is saying when he didn't lube inside the neck, the expander ball was pulling the shoulder forward.
     
  23. 1-12 INF (M)

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    I have used acetone and/or lacquer thinner with good results. Keep the thinner and re-use. They dry fast too.
     
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  24. lordpaxman

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    Thanks.
     
  25. DocRock

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    Cant argue with that. It's just that cold water makes the bubbles go away quicker...
     
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