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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?_r=3

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html?_r=2 said:
OVER the past two decades, the majority of Americans in a country deeply divided over gun control have coalesced behind a single proposition: The sale of assault weapons should be banned.

That idea was one of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban.

But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

The continuing focus on assault weapons stems from the media’s obsessive focus on mass shootings, which disproportionately involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 rifle. This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from gunshots.

Annually, 5,000 to 6,000 black men are murdered with guns. Black men amount to only 6 percent of the population. Yet of the 30 Americans on average shot to death each day, half are black males.

It was much the same in the early 1990s when Democrats created and then banned a category of guns they called “assault weapons.” America was then suffering from a spike in gun crime and it seemed like a problem threatening everyone. Gun murders each year had been climbing: 11,000, then 13,000, then 17,000.

Democrats decided to push for a ban of what seemed like the most dangerous guns in America: assault weapons, which were presented by the media as the gun of choice for drug dealers and criminals, and which many in law enforcement wanted to get off the streets.

This politically defined category of guns — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with “military-style” features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban.

Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of gun murders each year, but gun control advocates had failed to interest enough of the public in a handgun ban. Handguns were the weapons most likely to kill you, but they were associated by the public with self-defense. (In 2008, the Supreme Court said there was a constitutional right to keep a loaded handgun at home for self-defense.)

Banning sales of military-style weapons resonated with both legislators and the public: Civilians did not need to own guns designed for use in war zones.

On Sept. 13, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault weapons ban into law. It barred the manufacture and sale of new guns with military features and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. But the law allowed those who already owned these guns — an estimated 1.5 million of them — to keep their weapons.

The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.

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The ban did reduce the number of assault weapons recovered by local police, to 1 percent from roughly 2 percent.

“Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement,” a Department of Justice-funded evaluation concluded.

Still, the majority of Americans continued to support a ban on assault weapons.

One reason: The use of these weapons may be rare over all, but they’re used frequently in the gun violence that gets the most media coverage, mass shootings.

The criminologist James Alan Fox at Northeastern University estimates that there have been an average of 100 victims killed each year in mass shootings over the past three decades. That’s less than 1 percent of gun homicide victims.

But these acts of violence in schools and movie theaters have come to define the problem of gun violence in America.

Most Americans do not know that gun homicides have decreased by 49 percent since 1993 as violent crime also fell, though rates of gun homicide in the United States are still much higher than those in other developed nations. A Pew survey conducted after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., found that 56 percent of Americans believed wrongly that the rate of gun crime was higher than it was 20 years ago.

Even as homicide rates have held steady or declined for most Americans over the last decade, for black men the rate has sometimes risen. But it took a handful of mass shootings in 2012 to put gun control back on Congress’s agenda.

AFTER Sandy Hook, President Obama introduced an initiative to reduce gun violence. He laid out a litany of tragedies: the children of Newtown, the moviegoers of Aurora, Colo. But he did not mention gun violence among black men.

To be fair, the president’s first legislative priority after Sandy Hook was universal background checks, a measure that might have shrunk the market for illegal guns used in many urban shootings. But Republicans in Congress killed that effort. The next proposal on his list was reinstating and “strengthening” bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. It also went nowhere.

“We spent a whole bunch of time and a whole bunch of political capital yelling and screaming about assault weapons,” Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu of New Orleans said. He called it a “zero sum political fight about a symbolic weapon.”

Mr. Landrieu and Mayor Michael A. Nutter of Philadelphia are founders of Cities United, a network of mayors trying to prevent the deaths of young black men. “This is not just a gun issue, this is an unemployment issue, it’s a poverty issue, it’s a family issue, it’s a culture of violence issue,” Mr. Landrieu said.

More than 20 years of research funded by the Justice Department has found that programs to target high-risk people or places, rather than targeting certain kinds of guns, can reduce gun violence.

David M. Kennedy, the director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, argues that the issue of gun violence can seem enormous and intractable without first addressing poverty or drugs. A closer look at the social networks of neighborhoods most afflicted, he says, often shows that only a small number of men drive most of the violence. Identify them and change their behavior, and it’s possible to have an immediate impact.

Working with Professor Kennedy, and building on successes in other cities, New Orleans is now identifying the young men most at risk and intervening to help them get jobs. How well this strategy will work in the long term remains to be seen.

But it’s an approach based on an honest assessment of the real numbers.

Correction: September 21, 2014
A news analysis article last Sunday about the politics around banning assault weapons gave an imprecise and outdated statistic on the use of handguns in killings in the United States. They were used in more than 80 percent of gun murders, not all murders, each year — and in the early 1990s, not in the present.
 
I saw this and had to double check that I was on the NYT site. It would appear that there is a perceptible increase in articles like this by otherwise anti gun sources that point to the possibility of other causes for gun related crime. I think it's a positive sign, although it will be a long process to change perceptions. Nonetheless, it's a start in the right direction.
 
So black males are involved, either as killers or victims, in the vast majority of gun murders. The approach now being taken by the anti-gun gang is to ban sales of guns to African-Americans. Of course the laws won't say that. They require training classes, fingerprinting, photographs, police permits, costly licenses, all with the deliberate intention of discouraging blacks from begging a white-controlled police force for the privilege of owning a gun. (Needless to say, blacks are seen by Liberals as having no rights, except the right to vote the way the white establishment orders.)

I think it is necessary to point out to any black people who will listen that a white liberal establishment that forces them to be defenseless against crime (black or white) does not have their best interests at heart.

Jim
 
Hmm, we'd all thought the article to this effect a few months back was a fluke, and more a reflection of the banners licking their wounds than a true change in tactics (after losing their once in a lifetime opportunity, they said "well, it wouldn't made a difference so we didn't want it anyway" :( ), but I am certainly noticing that more and more people on the banner side are becoming aware that focusing on Assault-whatevers is extremely counter-productive for their disarmament agenda. Heck, most of us are only as opposed to the AWB as we are because it was so moronic on its face as to be insulting. If it actually did what it intended (banning mag-fed semi-autos), crime-prevention effectiveness or no, we would have considerably more respect for it than we do.

I think what we're seeing is the classic Pincer Movement finally closing in on our opposition;
-They historically have attacked pistols above all else, which made sense, seeing as that is the type of gun actually used for both crime and defense in almost all circumstances. This is why they had such enormous success in this area, to the point of nearly banning all unregistered pistols nationwide in '34. They were so successful, in fact, that they overreached considerably, passing numerous oppressive laws that were vulnerable to judicial review.
-The Drug War-fueled crime wave spanning the 80's/90's sparked a growing awareness of the need for defensive arms, by that point pretty much banned entirely from all large urban centers and the hinterlands they controlled. This was when it seems many of the lawsuits being cited today as precedent were getting started through the system, exposing the multitude of illegal statutes unconstitutionally restricting the activities of pistol carriers.
-Gun designs, marching inexorably forward like every other technology, had modernized to the point of often looking and operating like the current generation of military rifles that had been demonized in Vietnam and thereafter by anti-war protests and news coverage. Just as in Prohibition, very few crimes were committed with 'assault guns' on the whole, but when they did, they were blown all over the news, leading to perceptions of open military warfare in the crime-ridden urban black neighborhoods. Also as a result of the Drug War crime wave, the antis were compelled to do more to disarm the populace in the fervent hope of peace at last, to the point of directing their efforts wholeheartedly on guns that had nothing to do with the crimewave whatsoever; Assault Weapons. The AWB of '94 was the crowning moment of hubris for the antis, in which they convinced a great many of their political affiliates to risk themselves, only to reap an enormous backlash --all for the sake of poorly written, ineffective, and practically-unenforceable garbage legislation that ultimately wouldn't last more than ten years. This was the breech of trust between the antis and their political backers, which the NRA and other organizations have gleefully exploited to stymie them ever since.

So, they thought they'd beaten us on pistols due to their legislative advances over the last century, but it was a hollow victory since it was built on such shaky legal ground we are now tearing through their statues almost as fast as gay marriage has (and with none of the attendant media/political support). They thought they'd stale-mated us on Assault Weapons, but their ban expired, and so did their chances of ever renewing it as it was (I have to guess they assumed a future congress would rubber stamp a permanent reauthorization, at the time), and the years in the interim have seen an absolute explosion of interest in the shooting sports, hobbies, and defense market areas, far beyond what any anti could have thought possible. The way to an assault weapon ban is now shut; there are far, far too many in circulation, and far, far, far too much interest in them for attack from pitiful Astroturf activism.

So, they turn once more back toward pistols. But the pistol market has been even hotter than that for "assault" rifles. Concealed carry is in all US territories, on the way to being 'shall issue' in all of them, no less. Bans of all kinds are being struck down where challenged, and only being enacted on top of existing bans in very sympathetic areas.

Gunnies have been oppressed for so long we scarcely hope to dream of what victory might look like, but it is increasingly apparent we will end up grinding these people between their hatred of black rifles and their fear of peaceful citizen carriers until there is nothing left. I'm not a Prohibition historian, but I would imagine something similar befell the Temperance movement once the amendment was passed. They kept fighting at different sides of the issue, losing, and striking out elsewhere, all while these defeats caused them to lose members until the whole thing collapsed. That movement culminated in a Constitutional Amendment for cryin' out loud, and today Tea totalers are mocked as relics of a bygone era; let the same be said for Bloomberg in 50 years (if he's not still running MAIG as a brain in a jar, somewhere :D)

If we get pistol carry, pistol purchase, and pistol ownership without court battle possible, if not yet easy, in even a couple of the remaining big metro areas, we will have won. At that point, they won't be able to effectively resist or attack us on pistols or rifles, and the remaining effort will only get easier to mop up as we become more mainstream. I think if LA or NYC fall in this way, it will be the end of the 20th Century Gun Control movement, and guns will once more become embraced as Americana. At least until the next confluence of circumstances like the '60's, any way.

TCB

The approach now being taken by the anti-gun gang is to ban sales of guns to African-Americans. Of course the laws won't say that.
Hardly 'new,' this is what non-segregation Jim Crow era laws were built out of; onerous or impossible requirements, conflicting legal Catch 22's, and selective enforcement against blacks. Fortunately for them, racism abated to the point that those terrible laws began being enforced generally, even against the descendants of the white population responsible for passing them (hopefully a cautionary tale for any American who would seek to impose laws restricting another), and that's when the wall began coming down.

Needless to say, blacks are seen by Liberals as having no rights, except the right to vote the way the white establishment orders.
"Your 3/5ths of an opinion is duly noted. And disregarded" :D

TCB
 
Guns never have been the problem, it is the few with guns that have no training, no moral conscious, that are the problem, I've got no idea, nor do our illustrious politicians, of how to solve this problem, however banning any weapon is definitely not the solution.
 
It's culture. The Chicago Police released a study on homicides in Chicago. They found Blacks were the perpetrators in about 2/3s of the cases, Hispanics in about 1/3, and Whites in only about 3-4%.

If the Black and Hispanic culture were like the White culture, the homicide rate would be about 90% lower in Chicago.

You want to reduce violent crime? End the gangsta culture of violence.
 
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