IMR 4895 for the .308 Win or 30-06?

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You could still do a lot worse than IMR 4895 and 168 Gr match bullets for as far as they stay supersonic. Everyone runs 175s or heavier for 1K these days. I still have one metal pound can left.
 
You could still do a lot worse than IMR 4895 and 168 Gr match bullets for as far as they stay supersonic. Everyone runs 175s or heavier for 1K these days. I still have one metal pound can left.

That Mexican Match Stuff shot a lot of clean rounds at the 600 yard line in it's day. LOL.
 
I use it for all my 308 loads behind a 168 SMK. I also use it for my Garand and 1903A3 loads. Besides that I have tried it in 45-70 and .204 Ruger.
 
I worked up a sub 3/4 MOA load in my Remington 700 .30-06 using IMR 4895, Federal brass, Winchester LRP & 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tips. 0.010" off the lands was the optimum jump.

I don't recall the charge weight because that was twenty years ago and I still have enough left for about twelve more deer seasons. It might be time to revisit that.
 
I use IMR4895 in nearly all of my 308s, and it is my go-to powder for my Garand loads.
There was a while where I couldn't find it, and used AA2495 instead.
Worked up loads with that, and they were to a T, the same as my 4895 workups.
 
In 40+yrs of reloading, I’ve used exactly 1lb of IMR4895.
I bought it when I purchased an M1 Garand “CMPSpecial” from the CMP for shooting the JCG matches. I tried it against already settled charges of H4895 and IMR4064.
I decided that H4895 was my go-to powder due to flexibility and easier metering. IMR4895 is just as difficult to measure as 4064. I couldn’t detect any advantage to claims of better accuracy, even with weighed powder charges. Bullets mattered, powders/charges not so much.
 
Is this the time to ask Hummerville (Hummer70) he's an expert on the Palma Range? A Long Long Long time ago in a Galaxy far far far away............. LOL.
Sorry to drag you into this Hummer. But it's time you resurfaced if your shoulder is well enough to handle a rifle once again? If not, sorry I dragged you into this, I Apologize.

Perhaps it's time that I entered the competitive shooting ring once again? Naw, I'm way to Old. LOL.

Hummer has forgotten more about .308 reloading than I was ever taught. But I'll acquiesce to his knowledge should he share it with US. JMHO.
 
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Meh, I bought 32# of it about 10 years ago, I've worked my way through about 20# of it in .308, 30-06, and even tested it in .348 and 5.56mm. It's still my go-to powder in the M1 Garand... 47grn under any ~150grn bullet, and I use it for my M80-equivalent 7.62mm load for my M1a.

I've found better powders for both the 16" barrel on my M1a (IMR3031) and with 168grn bullets in my 24" Savage bolt gun (IMR4064,) but it's still very useful. I call it the 'Unique' of the rifle powders.
 
Take surplus ammo, pull the bullet, dump the powder, replace powder and bullet, although some folks just replaced the bullet.

Taking a bad FMJ bullet out and replacing it with an accurate bullet.
 
I still use a lot of 4895 in 30-06 ammo for my M1 but more in the form of H4885. I prefer 4350 for my 30-06 ammo these days because it's slightly more accurate for me.

You could do much worse than IMR4895 in the .308 Win and 30-06 and many other cartridges.
 
What precisely is this "Mexican Match" ammo you keep referring to?

"After the USA pulled out of Vietnam the USMC had made the commitment to continue their sniper program during peace time and they continued to improve their equipment. The US Army, on the other hand, had once again disbanded their sniper program at the cessation of hostilities and it was the marksmanship units that had to lead up the pursuit of better equipment for the Army. These various military types met at a symposium and agreed that something had to change and it was widely accepted that what was referred to as “Mexican Match” ammunition was a far better ammunition than M118 Match ammo. ‘Mexican Match’ was made by using military 7.62 brass and loading it with the Sierra 168gr Match King bullet. The name ‘Mexican Match’ reportedly came about because the first time this load was used was during the PanAm games in Mexico City. The accuracy improvement over the M118 Match ammo was remarkable, often shooting as much as 50% tighter groups. Because of these results a new load was developed called the M852. The design was simple, put the 168gr Sierra Match King bullet on the same M118 brass and powder. The M852 was adopted in the early 1980’s and was for match use only. Because the Sierra Match King (SMK) bullet had a hollowtip as a byproduct of production, it was not regarded at the time as being acceptable for combat use in terms of abiding by the Laws of Land Warfare. Since the M852 was the new match load for competition use, the M118 was redesignated the M118 ‘Special Ball’, or SB, and was the authorized ammo for combat use by snipers."

From: http://www.snipercentral.com/history-m118-ammunition/
 
"After the USA pulled out of Vietnam the USMC had made the commitment to continue their sniper program during peace time and they continued to improve their equipment. The US Army, on the other hand, had once again disbanded their sniper program at the cessation of hostilities and it was the marksmanship units that had to lead up the pursuit of better equipment for the Army. These various military types met at a symposium and agreed that something had to change and it was widely accepted that what was referred to as “Mexican Match” ammunition was a far better ammunition than M118 Match ammo. ‘Mexican Match’ was made by using military 7.62 brass and loading it with the Sierra 168gr Match King bullet. The name ‘Mexican Match’ reportedly came about because the first time this load was used was during the PanAm games in Mexico City. The accuracy improvement over the M118 Match ammo was remarkable, often shooting as much as 50% tighter groups. Because of these results a new load was developed called the M852. The design was simple, put the 168gr Sierra Match King bullet on the same M118 brass and powder. The M852 was adopted in the early 1980’s and was for match use only. Because the Sierra Match King (SMK) bullet had a hollowtip as a byproduct of production, it was not regarded at the time as being acceptable for combat use in terms of abiding by the Laws of Land Warfare. Since the M852 was the new match load for competition use, the M118 was redesignated the M118 ‘Special Ball’, or SB, and was the authorized ammo for combat use by snipers."

From: http://www.snipercentral.com/history-m118-ammunition/


Ah, I thought it was something like a match equivalent to the Greek HXP or Korean surplus ammo. I'd heard of the practice before but never heard the term, learn something new every day. As for the powder, I prefer AA-2495 because it's sold locally through Western Powders in Miles City, MT. For 308, I use 43.5 grains behind a 168 Amax (a very good load) and for the Garand '06 it's 46 grains with the same bullet. I've heard it referred to as "single base horse-manure" but I've never had an issue with it.
 
I used to pull the bullets and powder for a friend on the NY State Rifle Team (ANG). Although it was 5.56. I got to keep the powder and the bullets. He got more time to load them up. Funny is that I remember him using IMR4895. He got me an 8 pounder at Camp Perry where he finished in the presidents 100 with the 45. He was a distinguished rifle and pistol shooter. He borrowed my M39 Nagant to compete with as well, loaded with guess what?
 
Ah, I thought it was something like a match equivalent to the Greek HXP or Korean surplus ammo. I'd heard of the practice before but never heard the term, learn something new every day. As for the powder, I prefer AA-2495 because it's sold locally through Western Powders in Miles City, MT. For 308, I use 43.5 grains behind a 168 Amax (a very good load) and for the Garand '06 it's 46 grains with the same bullet. I've heard it referred to as "single base horse-manure" but I've never had an issue with it.

Orcon, while I value your input I've yet to read of your exploits ( Like those of Hummerville) nor have I heard the whispers of your deeds on the Battlefield (Like the GUNNY's or Chris) so before you right swipe the screen I'm available on the private network to listen to your tales of expertise behind the butt either competitively or actually afield. Perhaps you could enlighten this ancient fossil? As I'm not quite sure I understand the references you have given me? There are pressure issues with the M1 that most bolt actions have overcome. But I await enlightenment on the private message side. Thank You for sharing your current experience with an Old Man.
 
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Back when I was reloading for 30-06 IMR 4895 was my favorite powder. It's crunchy through a powder measure and there may be something made today that will give as good results and feed better than it does and it's been years and years since I did any reloading for the caliber.
 
i use imr 4895 for 308, 7mm-308, 30-06, and sometime for 30-30. there rifle are used for nra silhouette matches. all my loads work well/groups on all targets.
 
Same, good day.

Thank Y'all for input, Good Day and Good Shooting. Wish Y'all the best.

Good luck, good hunting, good shooting, and good day to you Orcon. Wishing Y'all all the best. Thanks for your input.

It appears that IMR 4895 was in use during WWII but DuPont didn't offer it to the public until 1962. Wonder how long it will take before we get a chance at the powder being used in the MK316 Mod? https://ndiastorage.blob.core.usgov...9/infantrysmallarms/tuesdaysessioniii8524.pdf
 
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