Indiana Court Calls Gun Industry Shield Law Unconstitutional

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In a landmark ruling with nationwide implications, Lake County, Indiana Superior Court Judge Robert A. Pete on Monday declared unconstitutional a 2005 federal law backed by the gun lobby that sought to limit the legal liability of gun dealers and manufacturers in the case of City of Gary v. Smith & Wesson et al.

The ruling held that the so-called "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act" (which became effective exactly one year ago today) violates the U.S. Constitution's guarantees of Due Process and Separation of Powers. It allows Gary, Indiana's lawsuit against sixteen gun manufacturers and six northern Indiana gun dealers to proceed toward trial.

Cases pending in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Washington, D.C., and other states have raised similar challenges to the constitutionality of the law, but this is the first court to find it unconstitutional.
 
Yay. More courts usurping the democratic process and making decisions for all of us.
 
The fact is, liberals do not care how they wreck our country. They only care about power and agenda. The "gun wars" aren't about "saving the children", or "crime prevention". They ARE about breaking up a "culture", that as a whole, doesn't support them. Liberal courts, don't interpret laws anymore. They insist on, and in some cases, write their own liberal views, as legislators. So much for balance of power.
 
No surprise

I suspect this one won't be resolved until it hits the USSC.

In the meantime, can we start suing anti-gun judges for making our guns more expensive????:fire: :cuss:
 
I don't think that a state superior court judge can declare a Federal Law unconstitutional.
 
The fact is, liberals do not care how they wreck our country. They only care about power and agenda. The "gun wars" aren't about "saving the children", or "crime prevention". They ARE about breaking up a "culture", that as a whole, doesn't support them.

The leftist extremists would dearly love to turn America into a larger, somewhat more prosperous East Germany.
 
I wish the courts would just **** and let us vote on things and make our own decisions. I'm so tired of having the Surpreme Courts on every level handing down judgments as if they know more than us and have some right to guide our lives how they see fit. Judges are not better than us and do not have any more clairvoyance into right, wrong, or the intentions of the Founding Fathers than any of us. I think the concept of judicial review and maybe even Supreme Courts in general(for anything outside of a case by case basis) has completely outlive it's usefulness.


If there is a decision to be made about law and policy, let our representatives vote on it. The courts need to stick to punishing criminals. That's it.
 
This judge needs to read a law book... :cuss:

This will be appealed, and likely reversed. An Indiana Superior Court has no jurisdiction over United States statutes.

Where is E.T. when we need him...?
 
There is an old saying: "It's a court of law, not a court of justice."
Judges like this make it neither.
 
Indiana Courts can say what they want. The fact is that Federal law supercedes state laws. Tough for Indiana.
 
This isn't about laws, or logic or right and wrong its about lawyers sueing over any and everything in order to make money!
 
What the defendants should have done - or need to do if they still can - is file a petition in the local Federal District Court to have the case "removed" from the state court system. That's what happened to Philadelphia's gun lawsuit. The Eastern District for Pennsylvania threw out the case and the city lost on appeal.
 
Federal Law

Georgia just passed some education related legislation in which the state said that regardless of federal law the state had a compelling interest and was overriding the federal statute!!

A local attorney said that in about 12-18 months this would be overturned but mean while the people affected by this just have to be patient.
 
It's all making sense to me now

This ruling, if we wish to follow the constitution as written, makes perfect sense.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...ution_in_its_rush_to_block_frivolous_lawsuits

When the House of Representatives voted to prohibit lawsuits that blame gun manufacturers for crimes committed with their products, only four Republicans opposed the bill. Three of them were reliable supporters of gun control, but the fourth, Ron Paul of Texas, is a self-described "firm believer in the Second Amendment" who has received high ratings from the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America.

What led Paul to join his anti-gun colleagues in voting against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act? The same thing that led to accolades from groups that defend the right to keep and bear arms: his respect for the Constitution.

As Paul explained in a 2003 speech, he is unambiguously opposed to lawsuits that demand compensation from the firearms industry for the damage caused by gun crimes. But he concluded that federal preemption of such suits cannot be reconciled with the Constitution's limits on congressional power, which leave the writing of tort law to the states.

Paul seems to be the only member of Congress who took this position on the bill, which President Bush signed into law on Wednesday, Oct. 26. In fact, it's so rare for legislators to draw a distinction between their personal policy preferences and their constitutional responsibilities that Paul's stand must seem quaint, if not downright puzzling, to most Americans.

The strongest argument in favor of federal limits on gun lawsuits was that legal costs and the threat of a ruinous judgment might push gun makers into a settlement that included nationwide restrictions on sales, impinging on the authority of state legislatures and the right to armed self-defense. But this danger never materialized.

Of more than 30 government-backed lawsuits filed since 1998, all but a few were dismissed before Congress acted, at which point 33 state legislatures had passed similar laws. In short, there was no constitutional emergency to justify congressional meddling in state tort law -- a fact reflected in recent statements from the leading supporters of federal preemption.

Press releases from the NRA and the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the main industry group, said the new law will foil frivolous lawsuits, protect law-abiding businesses and save American jobs. There was no mention of the Constitution or the Second Amendment.

This casual attitude regarding the constitutional legitimacy of federal tort reform is even clearer in the case of the Personal Responsibility in Food Consumption Act, which the House approved by a wide margin the day before it voted to restrict gun lawsuits. The "cheeseburger bill" would bar lawsuits in which portly plaintiffs seek to blame food sellers such as McDonald's for making them fat, unless the defendant can be shown to have violated an express warranty or a state or federal law.

As with the gun lawsuits, state legislatures (about 20 at last count) already have acted to stop this sort of litigation, which in any case represents a less serious threat to the companies it targets. Only one such lawsuit is still pending (based on statutory claims that would not be barred by the proposed federal law), and the food industry has much deeper pockets than gun manufacturers do. Even if purveyors of fast food and other calorie-dense comestibles were in imminent peril, advocates of congressional intervention would have a hard time locating a constitutional right to buy cheeseburgers.

Instead the bill notes that "the activities of manufacturers and sellers of foods and beverages substantially affect interstate and foreign commerce." This justification relies on a reading of the Commerce Clause so broad that it erases the distinction between state and federal powers.

How can anyone who claims to respect the Constitution sign onto such self-serving nonsense? Bob Barr, the former Republican congressman from Georgia, says opposing federal preemption of gun lawsuits on constitutional grounds amounts to "unilateral disarmament." Yet failing to do so amounts to dismantling our defenses against those who believe Congress can and should bend the Constitution to their will.

Now i'm kind of torn, which way to go. :banghead:
 
Instead the bill notes that "the activities of manufacturers and sellers of foods and beverages substantially affect interstate and foreign commerce." This justification relies on a reading of the Commerce Clause so broad that it erases the distinction between state and federal powers.

I assume Ron Paul has voted against most every bill that has come across his desk, since nearly all federal domestic legislation is based upon this interpretation of the Commerce Clause.
 
Ron Paul's decision is an example of what I always thought was a problem with libertarianism (although I can usually be convined otherwise) -- it seems like there are some things you can't do until just before you turn out the lights. Until then, you may cause more problems if you don't work within the system.

But maybe I'm wrong. He definitely raised an interesting point.
 
The problem is Ron Paul will still be voting for nothing when we have a communist governmet. He could have do something to stop that but he was too pure. You must work within the system. A party in the USA is a coalition of many small parties that you would see in say Britian. Same thing. Be there are be nowhere. Change the coalition by joining. As Paul has done. He does run as a Rep. But to cut off your nose to spite your face is not smart and will not work. Work to change the system. Litlle by Little.
 
Well the comparison to fast food is charming, however it isn't the same. To get the cheeseburger bill, you have to have a reading of the commerce clause.

The protection of the gun industry law is different, the 2nd amendments says that our RIGHT to ARMS cannot be abridged, so it makes sense that the companies that make ARMS cannot NOT BE. If there is no one making arms, then we cannot bear them and we have the right to bear them...

But, making the comparison to the cheeseburger law helps, because I don't think ANYONE feels sorry for the fat people suing McDonalds... Smith and Wesson didn't kill anyone. Some perp did.
 
I like Ron Paul and believe him to be a principled individual (more than most politicritters), but the cynic in me sees this as a political maneuver (much like GWB "promising" to sign an AWB re-authorization bill "if it crossed [his] desk").

By voting against the bill he gets his cake and gets to eat it too, but I bet if the vote was going to be real close he'd have voted for it.
 
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