Indiana Senate Bill 0011

[#shooter]

This just passed in the senate: “Third reading: passed; Roll Call 103: Yeas 42 and Nays 8.”I am all for this bill, however I am disappointed in Section 2 b 5 which allows post secondary schools to be exempt from the law. However, the author of this bill also wrote SB12 which prohibits state schools from regulating firearms. I guess private schools are out of luck if both pass. I know it is a big if, but one can Hope for Change! Go SB12!

SB11
SB12

DIGEST OF SB11 (Updated February 17, 2009 3:30 pm - DI 84)

Firearms in locked vehicles. Prohibits a person (which includes an individual, a corporation, and a governmental entity) from adopting or enforcing a policy or rule that prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting an individual from legally possessing a firearm that is locked in the individual's vehicle while the vehicle is in or on the person's property. Excepts possession of a firearm: (1) on school property, on property used by a school for a school function, or on a school bus; (2) on certain child care and shelter facility property; (3) on penal facility property; (4) in violation of federal law; and on property belonging to an approved postsecondary educational institution. Provides that a person who, in compliance with the prohibition, does not adopt or enforce such a policy or rule is not liable for resulting injury or damage. Authorizes a civil action for damages, costs, attorney's fees, and injunctive relief to remedy a violation. Deletes an outdated reference.

 

[loki.fish]

The only thing that I'm wondering about on it is the "Private Secure Facility". Can I get a definition please?

 

[Eightball]

An explanation of what the heck this is could be a good idea.

 

[#shooter]

An explanation of what the heck this is could be a good idea.

Hmmm Good point, at least I had links.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

Means that in Indiana (which in 1896 passed legislation establishing the value of pi in the Hoosier State as 4.0, and I kid you not) Walmart can't ban guns in employee cars on its parking lot. And now in about a second and a half, Walmart will figure out that it needs to outsource its employee parking as a non-core competency, and require or highly encourage (with parking subsidies) all employees to use the employee lot next door, which it used to own, and which now bans guns as a contractual matter.

Stupid.

 

[HoosierQ]

I guess I am not so cynical. Sure, somebody will exploit the language. But what this does, in the broadest sense, is prohibit employers from prohibiting people from locking a gun in their car. We all want this kind of legislation do we not? We have a lot of manufacturing in Indiana (read big parking lots filled with cars driven by lots of "regular guys") and there have been some poor guys fired for having a .22 in their trunk simply because they were headed out squirrel hunting after work. The big auto makers did this.

This kind of legislation is, if I am not mistaken, one of the the Brady Campaing point deductions. Currently, Indiana sits at 8 points out of 100. This may knock us down a couple of points.

This is a good thing. Indiana is very gun friendly in just about every aspect except open-carry where one needs a permit...the same permit as CC in fact.

 

[#shooter]

I understand this is a touchy issue with many in the gun community as we tend to be very rights orientated and the core of this problem is that it pits two rights against each other. I have mixed feelings about it and see that guns locked in cars are a compromise. I know it would be nice if I could store my firearms in my car at work so I don’t have to miss work to shoot or hunt as these activities cannot be done after sunset. I would also like to CC as well without having to drive home first to do my honey-do's after work.

 

[loki.fish]

I still would like a better definition as to the whole "Private Secure Facility" part. As the factory I work in requires a card to enter the building, would this be considered a private secure facility or are they meaning facilities with secure parking and security guards?

 

[#shooter]

loki.fosh - I still would like a better definition as to the whole "Private Secure Facility" part. As the factory I work in requires a card to enter the building, would this be considered a private secure facility or are they meaning facilities with secure parking and security guards?

I am not a lawyer so take this with a grain of salt. I believe a "private secure facility" would be something akin to a juvenile detention facility or a secure mental hospital. The focus of the security is primarily to keep people in rather than out. I don't think it would apply to a factory or office with security measures. Schools (daycare-college) and any school activities, prisons and detention facilities (child-adult), group homes (all ages), secure mental institutions, any form of shelter (homeless, woman, etc) would be exempt from this law. Federal law banning guns would be exempt as well, such as military bases, courthouses, fed buildings, etc.